Shlomit/Ian
Yes there is some good research basis in NLP and in it's origins it was
based on quantifying and modelling the interventions of successful
therapists: Milton Erickson, Fritz Perls and Virginia Satire in particular.
You could look at it as a how to do empathy, concreteness etc, i.e.
demystifying the skills that we all use.
I think Ian is right to point out that an element of cultishness has crept
in, mind you there are other schools in therapy that could have that said
about them too. At this point this thread could start to include the
comments that have been made in the challenging beliefs thread, therapy can
become a substitute for religious/spiritual emotions, hence the cultishness
of some approaches. God is dead, I have the answer and it only costs:)
Mark
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From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Shlomit C.
Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 3:04 PM
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Subject: NLP technique recognized by Bacp?
Dear all,
I just am curious to know if there is an official statement available of
Bacp or any other professional counseling organization about NLP and there
techniques. As I already stated before is seems to me that NLP people are
into a quite cheap type of bigtalk nonsense under the "science" flag. An
other EST phenomenon but now claiming to do mind processing.
Has this group been carefully investigated? It seems to me nothing but a
true sect, although some accredited psychologists seem to support this
group. But so what.. . Please go out and encounter them to get a taste of
what they do and how. Just blablabla brainwash, no dialogue what so ever
possible. If any non NLP person has a different opinion I look forwards to
hearing this.
Sincerely,
Shlomit
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Whitfield" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: New Member
> Dear Mark,
>
> One of the 'Power Therapies' is an NLP technique.
>
> http://www.tir.org/metapsy/sorensen.htm . Visual/ Kinesthetic
> Dissociation (V/KD). The link is an interview of someone who trained
> in all for power therapies that Charles Figley brought together for
> his study.
>
> The main developer of TIR Dr. F. Gerbode was familiar with Gestalt.
> However I think he was more impressed with Rogers, Freud, Polanyi,
> Kuhn and Tart. TIR is based on a freudian concept of chains of
> traumatic incidents feeding each other. Its person centred side is
> quite Rogerian, although different in that TIR is more directive. In
> terms of effectiveness I would say TIR was a large stride forward,
> rather than a refinement. There are of course simlarities between most
> techniques. I don't know if anything is truly from another planet. On
> a theoretical level TIR has lots of old, well established ideas in it.
> Pavlov is another influence. It is on a practical level that it comes
> into its own. The method of teaching and applying it is very well
> structured. It is so clear what to do that an experienced practitioner
> can almost enable a person to overcome their trauma without having to
> think about it. They define very clearly what does or doesn't make a
> session effective, and the model works a treat.
>
> I have heard the name but am not familiar with William Emerson. Do you
> have an links to article on his work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Henry
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> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Dean
> Sent: 02 April 2003 10:12
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New Member
>
>
> Henry
> Welcome.
>
> Having had a quick look through the material at: http://www.tir.org/ I
> find myself wondering how these "Power Therapies" differ substantively
> from some of the NLP techniques. I can also see Gestalt and
> Psychodrama in there. I'd be interested to know if TIR has developed
> independently or is it developed from these earlier models. Is it an
> evolution/refinement or a 100 Monkey effect? Also have you come across
> William Emerson's work on Stress and Trauma? Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Norman
> Claringbull
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:28 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New Member
>
>
> Dear Henry,
>
> I should be most interested to hear from you about the research
> backing your claim that TIR is a useful trauma reduction methodology.
> In addition, have you any statistics, (take up, outcome, evidence
> based practice etc), to support your claim that TIR is "one of the
> leading methods for resolving PTSD".
>
>
> Norman
>
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