Audrey
Madness no logic maybe. Suicide bombers are definitely unhappy with their
situation in life. Just from the insight of the media it seems to me that
they are "between a rock and a hard place" that being the case where else
are they to go or want to go.
Christopher Reeves in the early stages of his illnes thought of suicide. It
is not uncommon for us to think given an ongoing never ending tension of war
and famine what else is left.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Audrey Vollans" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: Challenging Beliefs
> Dear Gerald and all,
>
> I see spirituality (or what some people call God) as the part of us that
> motivates us on to self-improvement and really living life as opposed to
> settling back and the part that supports us in times of trouble as a sort
of
> inner guide tuned into general consciousness (a sort of global common
sense) .
> Conventional religions seem to me to just give this energy a personal
form
> and the rest is what people have done to it for self-aggrandisement. Some
of
> the inductions to suicide bombers seem to be no more than hypnotic
inductions
> to escape from a troubled earthly life! But I am probably being very
> controversial and at risk of diganosis of madness......!!!
>
> Audrey
>
>
>
>
>
> >===== Original Message From Discussion on theoretical and research issues
in
> counselling psychology <[log in to unmask]> =====
> >Hello Ian
> >Ah an honest man. Well potty I shall have to remain, as there seems to be
no
> known cure :-)
> >
> >I do agree with you that the area of religion and delusional belief is
vexed.
> For very many years now I have been interested in how the suppression of
> psychic ability can manifest as so called mental illness. The medium
standing
> on stage hearing voices is often one removed from the person in the mental
> hospital who is saying that he/she can see the devil. Which brings me to
an
> interest that I shared with the late Dr Arthur Guirdham, Consultant
> Psychiatrist to Bath AHA. Is evil an entitiy in its own right?
Certainly
> Arthur would have it that in some cases of obsessional neurosis the
patients
> psyche is actually attempting to ward off the effect of malign influence.
> Two of his books 'Obsession' and 'A Foot in Both Worlds' may interest you.
> >
> >I have no belief in established religions myself and no belief in God as
some
> form of 'Man in the sky' Which is, I tend to think, how many people
conceive
> of God whether totally conscious of it or not. I think that such people
need
> to examine their unresolved issues with their fathers then perhaps they
would
> stop projecting such images.
> >
> >My intolerance of religion and its advocates does me no credit as I find
> religious belief childish and irritating. Maybe I should look closer at
> myself here! At the end of the day we really do not know answers to our
many
> questions. Maybe the constant runinating on God/religion is a way of
> expressing the sexual desire for union with the father. Who knows?
> >
> >Kindest
> >Gerald
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ian <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >Date: 28 March 2003 18:41
> >Subject: Re: Challenging Beliefs
> >
> >
> > Gerald,
> > I still think you are potty. I know you have disagreed with me at
least
> twice over the past couple of years so it must be true!
> > Seriously though, which aspect of this interests you? The whole area
of
> religion and its relationship to delusional belief is a difficult and
vexed
> one for me. The ethics of it are especially hard I think.
> >
> > Ian
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in
counselling
> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of G.F. Phillips
> > Sent: 28 March 2003 17:26
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Challenging Beliefs
> >
> >
> > Pat/Ian
> > I'm getting interested in this thread. Skipping through them at
the
> moment as I'm out later. You're both giving me food for thought,
particularly
> as I (think I've told people this before) have been a medium and spiritual
> healer since being a toddler.
> > Fortunately it didn't interfere with my psychoanalyses 1st
Freudian
> 2nd Kleinian. Mind you I think the analysts considered me somewhat potty
at
> first :-)
> > Best
> > Gerald
> > -----
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