Thank you!!!
>===== Original Message From Discussion on theoretical and research issues in
counselling psychology <[log in to unmask]> =====
>Dear Audrey
>Free thinkers, such as yourself, have often been considered mad. I
>certainly would not apply that label to you. Enlightened YES, mad NO.
>Best
>Gerald
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Audrey Vollans <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: 02 April 2003 12:30
>Subject: Re: Challenging Beliefs
>
>
>>Dear Gerald and all,
>>
>>I see spirituality (or what some people call God) as the part of us that
>>motivates us on to self-improvement and really living life as opposed to
>>settling back and the part that supports us in times of trouble as a sort
>of
>>inner guide tuned into general consciousness (a sort of global common
>sense) .
>> Conventional religions seem to me to just give this energy a personal form
>>and the rest is what people have done to it for self-aggrandisement. Some
>of
>>the inductions to suicide bombers seem to be no more than hypnotic
>inductions
>>to escape from a troubled earthly life! But I am probably being very
>>controversial and at risk of diganosis of madness......!!!
>>
>>Audrey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>===== Original Message From Discussion on theoretical and research issues
>in
>>counselling psychology <[log in to unmask]> =====
>>>Hello Ian
>>>Ah an honest man. Well potty I shall have to remain, as there seems to be
>no
>>known cure :-)
>>>
>>>I do agree with you that the area of religion and delusional belief is
>vexed.
>> For very many years now I have been interested in how the suppression of
>>psychic ability can manifest as so called mental illness. The medium
>standing
>>on stage hearing voices is often one removed from the person in the mental
>>hospital who is saying that he/she can see the devil. Which brings me to
>an
>>interest that I shared with the late Dr Arthur Guirdham, Consultant
>>Psychiatrist to Bath AHA. Is evil an entitiy in its own right? Certainly
>>Arthur would have it that in some cases of obsessional neurosis the
>patients
>>psyche is actually attempting to ward off the effect of malign influence.
>>Two of his books 'Obsession' and 'A Foot in Both Worlds' may interest you.
>>>
>>>I have no belief in established religions myself and no belief in God as
>some
>>form of 'Man in the sky' Which is, I tend to think, how many people
>conceive
>>of God whether totally conscious of it or not. I think that such people
>need
>>to examine their unresolved issues with their fathers then perhaps they
>would
>>stop projecting such images.
>>>
>>>My intolerance of religion and its advocates does me no credit as I find
>>religious belief childish and irritating. Maybe I should look closer at
>>myself here! At the end of the day we really do not know answers to our
>many
>>questions. Maybe the constant runinating on God/religion is a way of
>>expressing the sexual desire for union with the father. Who knows?
>>>
>>>Kindest
>>>Gerald
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ian <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Date: 28 March 2003 18:41
>>>Subject: Re: Challenging Beliefs
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald,
>>> I still think you are potty. I know you have disagreed with me at
>least
>>twice over the past couple of years so it must be true!
>>> Seriously though, which aspect of this interests you? The whole area
>of
>>religion and its relationship to delusional belief is a difficult and vexed
>>one for me. The ethics of it are especially hard I think.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
>>psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of G.F. Phillips
>>> Sent: 28 March 2003 17:26
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Challenging Beliefs
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat/Ian
>>> I'm getting interested in this thread. Skipping through them at
>the
>>moment as I'm out later. You're both giving me food for thought,
>particularly
>>as I (think I've told people this before) have been a medium and spiritual
>>healer since being a toddler.
>>> Fortunately it didn't interfere with my psychoanalyses 1st
>Freudian
>>2nd Kleinian. Mind you I think the analysts considered me somewhat potty
>at
>>first :-)
>>> Best
>>> Gerald
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