Dear Shlomit,
Yes ..... I am sitting on the sidelines a bit in this NLP world. I
have several trains of thought about it. One from experience as an
ex-smoker, who found that NLP was the clincher for me to have personal
power to give up by CHOICE.
However, that said I am aware that it's a very quick form of CHANGE.
As a person centred counsellor, integrative, I am open to some
techniques as valid in some situations, with some people, at some time
in their therapeutic process, but most of all, I am blown away by the
process itself, however long it may take for one person to achieve what
for them may be 'good enough', or, 'thank you, I feel okay with life
now, I don't need this/you anymore."
We live in a hurried world. Fast, is order of the day. For some the
speed of NLP is attractive, and it works. For others, it may leave
them standing, still wondering what's going on.
I guess Shlomit, there are many journeys, and as many ways to travel.
I am a counsellor. Here on this list there are people from all walks
of the therapeutic field, and all branches. Difference and diversity
after all, are alive and well and thriving here. I celebrate that. I
also celebrate your wisdom and sharing at times throughout the previous
months, as many of your postings have made me think, and re-think.
You are right, there is an infectious element to NLP; it can be
catching, if that is were our passion for learning and being in the
world, is taking us. I feel a celebration for those who feel they have
found a way, either for themselves or to help others. If it works for
them, then they will find themselves drawn to it.
I once knew an NLP practitioner and trainer (the one who helped me to
give up smoking, as it happens). This person was/is passionate about
helping people. One day, in our talks together, (s)he told me that at
birth, their twin had died. In a moments insight, all our previous
conversations came folding into place, in a smooth CLICK. I understood
many things about why this person was an NLP practitioner, why people
who needed 'mending' found (s)he was able to help so well. (s)he had
spent an entire lifetime, to date, trying to 'mend' the one thing that
couldn't be mended. Their own loss. No matter how much quick therapy
there was available, or how many other people they mended, until that
one insight dropped into place, their life was/had been empty and
unavailable to them, caught up in the hurry to 'mend'.
Sometimes, it is time and place, and readiness which are most
important. Until that moment we are not open to the energy offered,
for person change.
Thank you once again Shlomit, for opening up the possibility for
greater sharing.
With Many Best Wishes
Amanda
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 03:04 pm, Shlomit C. Schuster wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I just am curious to know if there is an official statement available
> of Bacp or any other professional counseling organization about NLP and
> there techniques. As I already stated before is seems to me that NLP
> people
> are into a quite cheap type of bigtalk nonsense under the "science"
> flag.
> An other EST phenomenon but now claiming to do mind processing.
>
> Has this group been carefully investigated? It seems to me nothing but
> a
> true sect, although some accredited psychologists seem to support this
> group. But so what.. . Please go out and encounter them to get a taste
> of
> what they do and how. Just blablabla brainwash, no dialogue what so
> ever
> possible. If any non NLP person has a different opinion I look
> forwards to
> hearing this.
>
> Sincerely,
> Shlomit
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dr Shlomit Schuster, Managing Editor
> Journal of Radical Psychology
> www.radpsynet.org/journal/index.html
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henry Whitfield" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: New Member
>
>
>> Dear Mark,
>>
>> One of the 'Power Therapies' is an NLP technique.
>>
>> http://www.tir.org/metapsy/sorensen.htm . Visual/ Kinesthetic
>> Dissociation (V/KD). The link is an interview of someone who trained
>> in
>> all for power therapies that Charles Figley brought together for his
>> study.
>>
>> The main developer of TIR Dr. F. Gerbode was familiar with Gestalt.
>> However I think he was more impressed with Rogers, Freud, Polanyi,
>> Kuhn
>> and Tart. TIR is based on a freudian concept of chains of traumatic
>> incidents feeding each other. Its person centred side is quite
>> Rogerian,
>> although different in that TIR is more directive. In terms of
>> effectiveness I would say TIR was a large stride forward, rather than
>> a
>> refinement. There are of course simlarities between most techniques. I
>> don't know if anything is truly from another planet. On a theoretical
>> level TIR has lots of old, well established ideas in it. Pavlov is
>> another influence. It is on a practical level that it comes into its
>> own. The method of teaching and applying it is very well structured.
>> It
>> is so clear what to do that an experienced practitioner can almost
>> enable a person to overcome their trauma without having to think about
>> it. They define very clearly what does or doesn't make a session
>> effective, and the model works a treat.
>>
>> I have heard the name but am not familiar with William Emerson. Do you
>> have an links to article on his work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Henry
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
>> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Dean
>> Sent: 02 April 2003 10:12
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: New Member
>>
>>
>> Henry
>> Welcome.
>>
>> Having had a quick look through the material at: http://www.tir.org/ I
>> find myself wondering how these "Power Therapies" differ substantively
>> from some of the NLP techniques. I can also see Gestalt and
>> Psychodrama
>> in there. I'd be interested to know if TIR has developed independently
>> or is it developed from these earlier models. Is it an
>> evolution/refinement or a 100 Monkey effect? Also have you come across
>> William Emerson's work on Stress and Trauma? Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
>> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Norman
>> Claringbull
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:28 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: New Member
>>
>>
>> Dear Henry,
>>
>> I should be most interested to hear from you about the research
>> backing
>> your claim that TIR is a useful trauma reduction methodology. In
>> addition, have you any statistics, (take up, outcome, evidence based
>> practice etc), to support your claim that TIR is "one of the leading
>> methods for resolving PTSD".
>>
>>
>> Norman
>>
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