I think that many employers don't recognise the value of NVQs. We are lucky
here in that we are encouraged to look at the NVQ route wherever possible. I
did spend a lot of time trying to find a suitable RM one both for the
records centre supervisor and for myself. It would be good if all the work
which had been done could be resurrected and marketted slightly differently,
maybe. Now that Records Management has come to the fore in many
organisations, the time might well be right.
Elizabeth Barber
Information Management Co-ordinator (Freedom of Information)
(Tuesday-Thursday 01622-696581)
Records Manager/Modern Records Archivist
(Friday 01622-605239)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marsh, Mike [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 06 March 2003 15:20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: State of UK Training
>
> Rod, ref NVQs: It is a sad story. Back in the early/mid-1990s, Catherine
> Hare and I, and other RMS Executive Committee members, encouraged by the
> ISNTO and Librarian colleagues, helped to develop and launch Archives & RM
> NVQs. To get them off the ground, I became one of three External Verifiers
> (with professional expertise in archives & RM), and we did all we could to
> promote 'our' NVQs. The others quit after a couple of frustrating years,
> and even I admitted defeat and resigned last July. The (then) RSA provided
> central certification and verification, but later merged to become the OCR
> who, within two years, decided to withdraw support for RM NVQs - largely
> because of their perception of a lack of demand, and belief that RM should
> be part of Administration.
>
> In truth, we had struggled to persuade existing training establishments
> and NVQ Assessment Centres to offer these 'new' subjects. The lack of
> local Centres made it difficult to sell NVQs to employers and staff alike.
> We were in a 'Catch-22 Situation'. We did persuade a few enlightened
> employers (three NHS hospitals for example) to set up their own internal
> assessment centres; others, such as Railtrack HQ, and DSS DRO, and even
> AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals, enrolled small numbers of their staff with
> the University of Northumbria's RM NVQ Assessment Centre. But the
> logistics (distance from centres etc) were always problematic.
>
> So far as I am aware, existing candidates have been allowed to complete
> their portfolios, but new candidates have been unable to sign-up since
> about December 2001. It would be interesting to hear from those who did
> successfully qualify - was it worthwhile? From others who wanted to
> sign-up but couldn't; and from those who see that there is a demand, but
> cannot find a service provider - who knows, we may even be able to provide
> a business case for OCR to justify re-instating these NVQs? I for one
> would welcome that. Alternatively, perhaps the RMS and/SOA and other
> professional bodies could club together to support some sort of A&RM NVQ
> equivalent? Perhaps there is scope alongside the training courses others
> provide? Anyone else feel strongly enough to do something about this? Mike
> (Marsh).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rod Stone [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March, 2003 15:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: State of UK Training
>
>
> Philip/All,
>
> You're highlighted a big gap.
>
> Some years back - late 80s - Michael Cook and I believe Peter Emmerson ran
> under the auspices of the Business Archive Council an intensive
> self-contained one-week archive and records management course.
>
> There is a need for such as course - one-day courses are fine as initial
> introductions for new records assistants and "top-ups" for records
> managers
> of one of the post-graduate courses. We're developing our projects and
> advisory services and could do with giving all staff a grounding in
> records
> management. There is nothing really onto which records assistants can
> progress after attending a one-day course, nor anything for administrators
> (of off-site storage services, or document management services). As
> administrators we're had a series of graduates, including one with a
> information science degree, who with the depth that could be covered in
> something like a week course - perhaps slightly longer, could comfortably
> cross over into projects and advice.
>
> What ever happened to NVQ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> "Jones, Philip A (IRU)"
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> 05/03/2003 11:56
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>
>
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> I would be interested to know the views of listserve members on the
> following issue: Is the current state of available records management
> training in the UK adequate for the changing requirements of organisations
> who are facing enterprise issues in relation to records management? It
> seems
> to me that there are a plethora of courses on 'the basics' and a number of
> events looking at the high level issues. I am thinking about more advanced
> courses to supplement qualified records professionals or professionals
> from
> other disciplines that now have a records management remit to deliver
> enterprise solutions. The question is partly prompted by the release of
> the
> latest version of DIRKS. I am wondering if records mangers in the UK feel
> fully equipped to deliver projects using DIRKS (should they so wish) or
> whether there is skills shortage to do this kind of work and other
> advanced
> RM work.
>
> Training providers please do not use this as a piggy back to promote your
> courses, I am more interested in the views of practitioners and employers.
> I
> am happy to take replies off line but think it might be an interesting
> debate on line.
>
> Philip Jones
>
> Philip A. Jones
> Head of Information Resources
> Corporate & Consumer Services
> Staffordshire County Council
> 01785 278364
>
> These are my views and not necessarily those of my employers.
>
>
>
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