We should probably continue it in private. btw, My sincere
apologies for my last remark. I should not have said that.
I will try to reply to this (the response below) tonight, and if not
today, some time during the weekend
cheers,
David
Date sent: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:12:29 +0200
Send reply to: Kaido Kikkas <[log in to unmask]>
From: Kaido Kikkas <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Lenin (was: Re: Something Positive?
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> David Quarter wrote:
>
>
> > I realize that by not having lived in the Soviet Union, it's difficult
> > for me to speak on this issue.. That being said, your perception of
> > Lenin, which you claim to based on your experience of living in a
> > "communist" country may not necessarily reflect the experiences
> > all those who have had a similar luxury. I had a friend who was born
> > in raised in a Soviet "satellite", yet whose feelings of stalinist style
> > communism is relatively positive ;needless to say, he is scathing
> > in his criticism of the western style capitalism.
>
> I'd say that as much as I have been to the former "satellites" they were
> not as totalitarian as the USSR itself. And surely, the opinions may
> vary. What I can still say is that at least here, these people form a
> small minority.
>
> > there is still quite *significant* support for communist parties in
> > many countries in Eastern Europe.
>
> I am aware of the fact. AFAIK, there are many factors that contribute to
> this.
>
> > I don't know what your'e saying here.
>
> You can see the web page I referred to in my previous posting. To put it
> shortly, the War Communism (Boyevoi Kommunizm) was the steep change of
> former softer policy made by Lenin in 1918-21. There were "theoretical"
> reasons for this, but in practice it resulted millions of people dying.
>
> Kronstadt rising was the rebellion of Baltic Fleet seamen who were
> discontent with the Bolshevik rule. It only resulted in hundreds of
> dead.
>
> > I'm not of the belief that Lenin was an angel. I was merely writing
> > the obvious -- I'm sure this the opinion shared by most marxists
> > (and"objective" social historians) -- when stating that considerable
> > disagreement exists as to whether Lenin's theories (in particular,
> > on centralization) are where the roots of Stalinism lie (i.e., the
> > genocidal policieis of Joseph Stalin).
>
> Maybe. Maybe not. Opinions differ. Possibly Pol Poth, Kim Il Sung and
> Hitler have also had interesting (on purely theoretical level) ideas.
> They are still regarded as mass murderers.
>
> To be a bit blunt - for me it sounds a bit over-confident to use
> "Marxist" and "objective" in the same sentence. Oh well...
>
>
> > . This rather apologetic position might in part explain your critical
> > statements on Lenin(?).
>
> I tried to be honest about my background. You can interpret it as you
> wish.
>
> Maybe we have too different backgrounds. And I wonder if the
> continuation of this discussion is of any interest to listmembers or
> should we carry it over to private mails instead?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Kaido Kikkas
>
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