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Subject:

Minutes of the 74th GridPP Project Management Board

From:

Tony Doyle <[log in to unmask]>

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Tony Doyle <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:58:36 +0100

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Dear All,

     Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:

http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/this-week.txt

(as well as being listed with other minutes e.g. 030407.txt).

            Cheers, Tony
________________________________________________________________________
Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader            Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building                        Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy           EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow             Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK                                      Video - IP: 194.36.1.32
________________________________________________________________________





GridPP PMB Minutes 74 - 7th April 2003 ======================================= Present: Tony Doyle, Dave Britton, John Gordon, Nick Brook, Tony Cass, Steve Lloyd & Peter Clark. Apologies: Robin Middleton. REVIEW OF ACTIONS ================= SI-2 : SL said that an announcement about the map had been released as a news item last week. NB said he would provide him a news item about 'LHCb Monte Carlo production'.(NEW ACTION) ACTION 64.1 : JG to review UK input to LCG. - ongoing? - will be done for GDB meeting on 10th April. ACTION 66.3 : TD to provide final document structure for GridPP2 proposal. - ongoing - progressing. ACTION 69.7 : Tier 0: TC & TD to provide input document with JG & SL. reviewing. -ongoing - a draft document has been prepared and uploaded with the introduction and summary being almost complete. The section on LCG would probably need improving as the spreadsheet figures would have to be checked. An outline calculating how many people are requested for middleware and application software would be included in the phase 2 plans. JG & SL would review the document on Wednesday and give feedback to TC. ACTION 69.8 : Tier 1: JG & DB to provide input document with TC & SL. reviewing. -ongoing - This has been uploaded but has still to be completed. JG & DB hope to discuss the document before Wednesday's meeting. ACTION 69.9 : Tier 2: TD & SL to provide input document with JG & TC. reviewing. -ongoing - SL has uploaded some of this but has not received all of the spreadsheets from the Tier Centres who in turn are waiting for feedback from the institutes. He has included an appendix which will be a definition of the Tiers but there is still some work to be done on this. This will move to be part of the overall LCG programme description in the proposal. JG & TC will review this shortly. ACTION 69.10 : Middleware: RM & PC to provide input document with JG & NB reviewing. -ongoing - PC sent this to TD this morning and stated that it was a ~complete (in terms of ceoverage) draft running to appx 26 pages. He said that there was a case to support four key areas which are: Workload Management; Data & Storage Management; Information, Monitoring & Operations Development; Security. Each of these would outline the work to be done which are fronted through a major centre. TD said that the number of FTEs mentioned was correct but more than what was stated in planning by the end of GridPP2 (exploitation phase). PC said he had tried to match what we have at the moment and was aware of the exit strategy. PC also wanted to make it clear that the figures only reflected middleware development and not middleware support. The item on Networking was discussed briefly and the reference to EGEE as a mechanism for middleware development linkage in the EU. TD said this document could be taken to PPARC and used as information for leverage with EGEE. JG said that none of the EGGE middleware had been decided as yet. TD said there should be 30% of EGEE funding middleware development. JG said he would try to talk to Peter Coombs before Wednesday to get his views. ACTION 69.11 : Experimental Grid Interfaces: RB & NB to provide input document with PC & DB reviewing. -ongoing - A document for the LHC expts+theory exists and the bringing together of BaBar/FNAL/... experiments is ongoing. RB is working on this at the moment. TD ask if he (NB) could try to summarise what he had by the end of the day for PC & DB to review with an upated version on Tuesday. ACTION 69.12 : Management: DB & TD to provide input document with SL & RM reviewing. -ongoing - DB said he had already had some comments from NG. Some of the main points noted in the document were that the Technical Board would develop into a Deployment Board and the Experiments Board would develop into a Users Board. ACTION 69.13 : Operations: RM & TD to do financial input documents with SL & DB reviewing. -ongoing - TD said only an outline had been prepared as yet. DB said he would send TD some estimates on travel which may be useful. (NEW ACTION) ACTION 69.14 : Hardware Requirements: NB & RB to provide input document with JG & SL reviewing. -ongoing - NB said that there had been some discrepancies between the CMS and ATLAS numbers. Dave Newbold (from CMS) is investigating. BaBar numbers for the last year are still to come in. It is thought the discrepancy between CDF & D0 numbers were understood. The situation with regards ALICE was unclear with respect to the Tier-1. NEW ACTION NB to pursue this with ALICE UK. ACTION 69.15 : Dissemination: SL & TD to provide input document with DB reviewing. -ongoing - TD said that there was only a collection of outline ideas at the moment and further information had to be added to it. ACTION 69.16 : Testbeds Tier0, 1 & 2 - JG & PC to document input and DB & TD to review. -ongoing - Only outlines and headlines had been prepared at the moment. Some further feedback on spreadsheet also required from PMB? - Further discussion to take place on Wednesday. ACTION 72.1 : TD to talk to Peter Watkins (who is involved in the Birmingham proposal) regarding complex problem solving areas of EU funding. - done - TD has been referred to a computer scientist who will get back to him. ACTION 72.3 : TD to print handouts for Durham. - ongoing - Half of these have been done. ACTION 73.1 : PC to talk to LCG members David Foster and Ian Bird re-middleware document. - ongoing - Still to be arranged. ACTION 73.2 : JG to speak to SF regarding a news item on RGMA. - done - This will be found at Scotgrid in a sub-link. ACTION 73.3 : RB to speak to AS regarding a news item on Ganglia Release. - ongoing. NEW ACTION 74.1 : NB to provide him a news item about 'LHCb Monte Carlo production' for SL NEW ACTION 74.2 : JG to talk to Peter Coombs regarding EGEE collaboration NEW ACTION 74.3 : DB said he would send TD some estimates on travel to be included in Operations document. NEW ACTION 74.4: NB to pursue Tier1 numbers with ALICE UK? AOB === Arrangements for Wednesday's meeting were confirmed. Room 536 on 5th floor at IC starting at 10.30am. TC to contact DB with his address to arranged video contact. DB and TD will discuss and arrange agenda after this meeting. Everyone was reminded about the OC meeting on 19th May which everyone will have to be prepared for (in addition to preparing the GridPP2 proposal). Standing Items ============== SI-1 : ALL : Continual review/improvement/update of the GridPP website. SI-2 : ALL : to provide any new items to SL (who will pass on to PPARC). SI-3 : ALL : supply SL/TD with meeting dates for the web page. SI-4 : EB & TB to improve their areas of the web. ACTIONS AS AT 7th April 2003 ============================= ACTION 64.1 : JG to review UK input to LCG. ACTION 66.3 : TD to provide final document structure for GridPP2 proposal. ACTION 69.7 : Tier 0: TC & TD to provide input document with JG & SL reviewing. ACTION 69.8 : Tier 1: JG & DB to provide input document with TC & SL reviewing. ACTION 69.9 : Tier 2: TD & SL to provide input document with JG & TC reviewing. ACTION 69.10 : Middleware: RM & PC to provide input document with JG & NB reviewing. ACTION 69.11 : Experimental Grid Interfaces: RB & NB to provide input document with PC & DB reviewing. ACTION 69.12 : Management: DB & TD to provide input document with SL & RM reviewing. ACTION 69.13 : Operations: RM & TD to do financial input documents with SL & DB reviewing. ACTION 69.14 : Hardware Requirements: NB & RB to provide input document with JG & SL reviewing. ACTION 69.15 : Dissemination: SL & TD to provide input document with DB reviewing. ACTION 69.16 : Testbeds Tier0, 1 & 2 - JG & PC to document input and DB & TD to review. ACTION 72.3 : TD to print handouts for Durham. ACTION 73.1 : PC to talk to LCG members David Foster and Ian Bird re- middleware document. ACTION 73.3 : JG to speak to AS regarding a news item on Ganglia Release. ACTION 74.1 : NB to provide him a news item about 'LHCb Monte Carlo production' for SL ACTION 74.2 : JG to talk to Peter Coombs regarding EGEE collaboration ACTION 74.3 : DB said he would send TD some estimates on travel to be included in Operations document. ACTION 74.4: NB to pursue Tier1 numbers with ALICE UK?

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