Hi,

Interesting, I *think* we (Southern T2) were planning to fill in
proforma-3 on institute basis (though it doesn't make much difference).

Regarding the milestones, we also battled with this in the data
management area - i.e. how to encapsulate the concept of a 'level of
service' within time-ordered milestones. Perhaps it would be better to
stop fitting square pegs into a round hole, and write down the
deliverables from these support posts explicitly as SLAs?

Cheers,

   Dave



On 22 Dec 2003, at 10:18, Dr D J Colling wrote:

> Hi Steve (or anybody else in the know),
>
> I am just looking for guidance re the proforma 3 for the Tier 2s. We
> are
> planning to send in one for the whole London Tier 2. Clearly this will
> contain a specialist part and a general operations part.
>
> While the specialist posts that we will be bidding for (Networking and
> Workload management) have particularly well defined milestones ;-) I
> cannot see any for the operations posts. Clearly, the level of service
> required has a direct consequence on the effort required.
>
> Can I suggest deliverables of the type that I put into the Tier 2
> Workload
> Management (Resource Brokering) part. These are of the form of
> percentage
> availability. Here I would suggest percentage availability of a
> percentage
> of the resource (it would be quite easy to keep 1 PC running at 95%
> availability). With the availability and usage to be collated and
> reported
> on a 6 monthly basis. Given Ian Bird's statement that there will be no
> more step changes (ie incompatible upgrades) after LCG2 I think that we
> should aim for 95% availability throughout.
>
> SO deliverables might be
>
> PM6 50% of all resources available 95% of the time
> PM12 80% of all resources available 95% of the time
> PM18->36 Greater than 90% of all resources available 95% of the time
>
> Any comments/thoughts?
>
> If this is all to be covered in the MoU then I apologise sticking my
> oar
> in early but then we need guidance for the proforma 3 now.
>
> I know that it is close to Christmas but ...
>
> Finally seasons greetings to all,
> david
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Steve Lloyd wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>    The GridPP2 Proforma-2 Tender Documents are available at
>> http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/docs/Proforma2.html There has not yet been
>> time
>> to define all deliverables to the required level of granularity and
>> this
>> will be done by iteration with the relevant Institutes when they're
>> known.
>>    You are invited to submit Proforma-3 bids for these posts to me by
>> Friday 9 January 2004. Please refer to the notes below taken from the
>> GridPP Tender Document.
>>      Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year
>> --
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> 7. Proforma-3: Bid from Institutes
>>
>> The proposed Principal Investigators must submit one form per
>> proposed FTE
>> effort including:
>> 1. a list of main objectives (as in the PPARC JES web submission form:
>> see
>> https://je-s.rcuk.ac.uk/eforms/secure/Login.asp);
>> 2. a short abstract (as in the PPARC JES form);
>> 3. the name of the principal investigator and co-investigators at
>> each institute (as in the PPARC JES form);
>> 4. the deliverables to be undertaken;
>> 5. name of identified individual, where applicable.
>> 6. If this is a proposed continuation of post, and with reference to
>> the deliverables defined by the relevant group in Proforma-2, please
>> describe the particular skills that the present postholder brings to
>> the
>> task.
>> 7. Does this programme of work involve an experiment or group not
>> currently engaged in GridPP?  If so, please describe in a few
>> sentences
>> how this fits in with the current programme at your Institute.
>> 8. Please describe any other effort at your institute in the GridPP2
>> period that may support the programme of work you have proposed.
>>
>> Additional Notes:
>> 1. don't be concerned if you can't access the JES page(s) - PPARC
>> submissions will be required eventually for successful bids. All that
>> is
>> required here is a short objectives summary and and a <100 word
>> abstract
>> of the person's role.
>>
>> 2. A single document is requested where there are a series of FTEs
>> requested in a given area. The return(s) should however identify each
>> individual role.
>>