Yeh, I think you've said it well, Sally. Great's a word that doesn't belong 
to writers or what they write.
(And when I hear the phrase "well written" I often wonder if that's damning 
with faint praise...) But when I hear "a good poem" I sort of feel the 
reader and the writer are close to each other.
Bob

Who thinks the poem is about a subject he's sure about - being a cat-person 
more than a dog-person... But if poodle-owners feel a sort of growl after 
reading it then that's good!


>From: Sally Evans <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: New Sub: Poodles' Bling Bling
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:43:17 +0000
>
>I find the phrase/concept "write great poetry" highly suspect.
>
>A small amount of the poetry being written now may turn out to be "great" 
>in
>the view of later ages. Hughes and Plath were politically very important 
>and
>will probably stay that way. Bukowski - brilliant, different and fun.
>
>otherwise, great's a rather meaningless tag-on word to poetry, part of the
>popular vocabulary of poetry, like submit and inspire.
>
>I don't think  anyone can set out to write great poetry. They can set out 
>to
>learn to write good poetry, and indeed it isnt worth trying to write any
>other sort!
>
>bw
>SallyE
>
>on 6/11/03 9:27 pm, paul murphy at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > agreed, it is not enough to have perfected the formal means of poetry, 
>one
> > must also have something to say.  even if one has no kind of poetic 
>form, it
> > is still very possible to write great poetry, because of the urgency of 
>ones
> > message.  Maybe Bukowski is an example of this?  PM
> >
> >> From: Annabelle Baptista <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: New Sub: Poodles' Bling Bling
> >> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:01:08 -0500
> >>
> >> Yeah, it doesn't seem to work.  I was hoping someone could see 
>something in
> >> it, but I think I try to do much with to little.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: The Pennine Poetry Works [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> >> Behalf Of paul murphy
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:09 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: New Sub: Poodles' Bling Bling
> >>
> >>
> >> a strange poem which doesn't seem to say much
> >> I also tried a Dachshund poem, it didn't say much either.  save yer 
>doggy
> >> poems for the children's poetry section of the bookstore.  but maybe 
>this
> >> is
> >> a children's poem, or a teenagers?
> >> best wishes,
> >> Paul Murphy
> >>
> >>> From: Annabelle Baptista <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: New Sub: Poodles' Bling Bling
> >>> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:34:06 -0500
> >>>
> >>> Poodles’ bling bling
> >>>
> >>> In the Mansion of the Dog Star the poodles blink,
> >>> Blink in their bling, bling.
> >>> Their bloodline as thin as the blank stare of any
> >>> Ivy leaguer in lettered sweater. Carrying papers,
> >>> of lineage, and privilege, Skipper, Rex,
> >>> Madge and Winkie hold court.
> >>>
> >>> With egress to the avenue, these royal heirs of
> >>> Pamperdom walk their walkers.
> >>> Piddle in poopers carried through palaces and presidential suites.
> >>> This breeds’ haunches are higher
> >>> Their intelligence, scientifically proven.
> >>>
> >>> In the evening, they look up from their carriers in
> >>> upscale restaurants at anorexic models sniffing saccharine
> >>> drinks blowing kisses at their coddled toy, miniature, minions,
> >>> sitting in Hermes carriers, wearing Gucci sweaters
> >>>
> >>> They are registered for silverware and place sets,
> >>> They are given maids whose backgrounds have
> >>> Foreign names to feed them biscuits from flaky fingertips.
> >>> To preheat the cream.  Some say they resemble their masters.
> >>> In a manner of speaking, but whose talking? Noone is talking.
> >>> They aren’t talking.
> >>>
> >>> Annabelle Baptista
> >>
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