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Re: Imagist Manifesto - Sue

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Mike Horwood <[log in to unmask]>

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The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:01:49 +0300

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Hello Sue,
           Thanks for your comments. Glad you found it interesting. Maybe it isnīt poetry, though, perhaps this one is really poetic theory, with a bit of Plato thrown in, which then makes it philosophy, all wrapped in a (very) free sonnet form, which brings us back to poetry. I donīt what it is, then, maybe itīs a puzzle. It doesnīt have any things, as you remarked, but it does have the word `thingsī eight times and these are in place of the things themselves which, as the `poemī points out, are really nothing. Iīm interested in your comment that if there are no things then itīs not poetry. Iīve been trying to think of some examples of `poemsī without things in them but nothing comes to mind and I donīt have any poetry books in the office. Maybe D H Lawrence wrote some without things, Iīm almost sure he must have done, he was that kind of chap, but then a lot of people would probably say they arenīt poems either. Anyway, as you say, the ideas should have things attached. And as I say, the things should have ideas attached so at least we know what we are looking for. I should maybe add, just to be clear, that I would never expect to find one with these things with an idea attached to it in the real world ;-)

Best wishes,   Mike




--- Alkuperäinen viesti ---
This  is really interesting, Mike.  I am not sure it is poetry though.  For
one thing you have no things.  If there are no things, rarely can the reader be
involved except on a prose level.
Or even if there are no things, the ideas must have reverberations of
involvement for the reader,  i.e., E.D., "My life closed twice before its close."
How does a life close?  What normally closes?  A window, a door.  But here we
have a life that closes before its final end or closing.  So the ideas have
things attached perhaps even here.  Thanks, Mike.  You have set me to thinking.
Sue


 

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