OK, I found the Osborne. Here from her introduction: "In the year
following the publication of Waller's long panegyric, five Opposition
satires appeared dealing with the Dutch War situation, and from that time
until the end of the reign of James II, the Advice to a Painter was used
almost exclusively as a vehicle for satire and lampoon." There were 32
published in the period, all but 6 lampoons, and of those six two were
panegyrics and one an elegy for Charles II, all in support of the court.
Osborne traces the form to the Anacreontea, in Waller's case by way of the
English translation of a recent panegyric on a enetrian naval victory by
Busenello. She notes only 6 pre-Waller examples in English.
Nuf about this.
Now if I could find my Waller...it's a small green book...destroyed in the
flood of 1979?
Mark
At 09:58 PM 9/5/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Somewhere in the house I have a copy of Osborne, "Advice-to-a-Painter
>Poems, 1635-1856," but finding it would be hopeless. I mis-spent a big part
>of my youth reading these things. They are legion, and virtually always
>(note the mild concession) political. I can't speak to the Waller, it's
>been too many years, and my copy of Waller has gone missing, but if you're
>saying it's not political I believe you, altho Waller at one point came
>very close to the headsman for his political activity.
>
>Also ascribed to Marvell was "Further Advice to a Painter." The
>attributions will always be subject to some question, for the good reason
>that acknowledged authorship would have been exceedingly dangerous.
>
>It's hard to imagine how one could see these poems as anything other than
>political, and many were included in the "Poems on Affairs of State"
>volumes that came out after 1688--which is to say, they were considered
>political at the time. A good source is the monumental Yale series of the
>same name.
>
>Mark
>
>
>At 04:22 AM 9/6/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>> > There were also the 17th century "advice to the painter" poems, as in
>> > "paint this, paint that." There were a lot of them, invariably political.
>> > Marvell wrote a couple.
>>
>>Marvell(2) [?]'s Second, Third, and Last Advice take off from Waller.
>>Depends on how you define "politics" (and whether or not or how many were or
>>might have been by Marvell), but
>>I-don't-drink-with-anyone-I-don't-trust-my-life-with put the edge on it,
>>surely?
>>
>>Shouldn't someone have mentioned Appeles?
>>
>>"invariably"?
>>
>>Oh, lordy, I wish I hadn't started thinking on this -- I have this horrible
>>feeling there's a lock into late 16thC drama -- Lily?
>>
>>Originally, I tripped over my feet thinking of /The Rehearsal Transprosed/,
>>but had the sense to refrain from inflicting this ...
>>
>><g>
>>
>> > Curiously, when I was involved with them in
>> > graduate school in the 60s the term ekphrasis never raised its head.
>> > Probably it didn't have nearly the currency it seems to have now.
>>
>>Well, leaving dictionaries aside, and now the sixties have been mentioned
>>... Concrete poetry? Huh?
>>
>>{If you'd waited just a little, I'm sure Alastair Fowler would have dealt
>>with this.}
>>
>>Also there are Herbert's execrable Easter Wings.
>>
>>Robin
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