Hugh,
OK, gotcha.
Cheers,
Jill
On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Hugh Tolhurst wrote:
> Jill
>
> Actually they just pleaded time constraints,
> but Martin Duwell did file his intro from Iran and
> net access is limited in such countries.
>
> Hugh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jill Jones" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Australian poetry
>
>
>> Hi Hugh,
>>
>> Thanks for that snippet. But how would working from Iran make it
>> harder
>> to cull e-journals than Australian print ones, I wonder? I can't see
>> Tehran having large stocks of Meanjin and Overland on hand. I presume
>> it means internet access was limited in some way. I was told that
>> e-journals weren't included because it was harder to distinguish which
>> poets in them were Australian. The logic of that, if it was the case,
>> defeats me. Either story seems a tad bizarre.
>>
>> Roll on a bigger 'best of' for 2004.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jill
>>
>> On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 07:22 PM, Hugh Tolhurst wrote:
>>
>>> hi Jill
>>>
>>> Thanks from me too for that survey. The UQP Best of
>>> Series will include electronic journals from 2004 - Their
>>> exclusion may have had to do with first guest editor
>>> working from Iran!
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jill Jones" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Australian poetry
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think there are problems with Landbridge and New Music that, for
>>>> different reasons, would be pointless at this stage in the game to
>>>> canvas. Though I could point to a whole heap of poets, many of them
>>>> midcareer and, shall we say, eastern sea-board, who don't get a
>>>> guernsey in either, unaccountably. The list is long, it's not just a
>>>> 'few omissions'. But by their very nature anthologies are biased and
>>>> selective and one always has to look beyond.
>>>>
>>>> There also a Peter Porter anthology as well as Les's and
>>>> Tranter/Mead
>>>> and a Gray/Lehmann one, and, yes, the classic Llewellyn/Hampton
>>>> women's
>>>> one and another women's one by Susan Lever. Apart from their
>>>> problems,
>>>> they are old now and much has happened and continues to happen, to
>>>> state the bleeding obvious.
>>>>
>>>> The various supplements in o/s literary journals featuring
>>>> Australian
>>>> poets that Hugh mentions are useful, and there have been others, if
>>>> they are still held in libraries, or maybe on line -
>>>> - the Atlanta Review (US), Spring/Summer 2000 (Tranter edited)
>>>> - Poetry (US) (yes, that famous old mag) Oct/Nov 1996 (Kinsella)
>>>> - Poetry Review (UK) Spring 1999 (Kinsella )
>>>> - Prism International (Can) Winter 2000 (Kinsella and Coral Hull)
>>>> -an edition of Verse around 2000, I don't have it to hand, edited
>>>> by
>>>> Brian Henry.
>>>>
>>>> There's also an upcoming edition of Poetry International (straight
>>>> outa
>>>> San Diego, Mark) with a selection of Australian and New Zealand
>>>> poets
>>>> selected by Martin Harrison. It's due soonish, I think. And way
>>>> back,
>>>> Laurie Duggan did a supplement in the NZ journal Landfall, Spring
>>>> 1995
>>>> (a bit old now, that). There's enough stuff in them, and others I
>>>> have
>>>> probably missed, both by much younger and/or newer Australian poets
>>>> as
>>>> well as less lauded but excellent mid-career and older poets, to
>>>> make
>>>> a
>>>> considerable and fascinating Salon des Refuses - although 'refuses'
>>>> status is always fluid, isn't it. And some will always sit outside
>>>> the
>>>> anthology thing - happily unanthologisable and just getting on with
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't seen the Best of from UQP that Hugh mentions. It's along
>>>> the
>>>> lines of that US series annual 'best ofs' - though such annuals were
>>>> done many years ago in Australia. I have a problem with 'best' in
>>>> the
>>>> title and with some of the selection criteria (they did not consider
>>>> poems in electronic journals) but I've heard some positive comments
>>>> about it so it's worth a chase.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that's helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 01:48 AM, Alison Croggon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 8:37 AM +1000 21/9/03, Hugh Tolhurst wrote:
>>>>>> Unfortunately
>>>>>> his Landbridge wasn't a great success (a bit of a rush
>>>>>> job, I thought in the ARB review I wrote). There's
>>>>>> a John Leonard anthology I don't like much, and the
>>>>>> quirky Calyx: 30 Contemporary Australian Poets edited
>>>>>> by Mike Brennan and Peter Minter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, there are problems with Landbridge, but it's a good,
>>>>> informative cross section of what's around. Same with the Leonard
>>>>> anthology (which one? there are a couple) - different quibbles with
>>>>> the broader one, its claim to inclusiveness which amounts to a lack
>>>>> of direction, though it has its virtues, some interesting younger
>>>>> poets. The Tranter-Meade one also has problems: real questions
>>>>> there
>>>>> about women and indigenous writing. There's also an OUP around
>>>>> edited by Murray. And a classic Penguin anthology edited by Susan
>>>>> Hawthorne of Australian women's poetry, which fills in some of the
>>>>> gaps, and was revelatory when I read it first, ten years ago or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> A
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alison Croggon
>>>>>
>>>>> Blog
>>>>> http://alisoncroggon.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Editor, Masthead
>>>>> http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/
>>>>>
>>>>> Home page
>>>>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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