Partly right, there were intelligent skivvies who made it up to Ladies'
maids and finally able to find other ways of living, besides that there were
skivvies (from what I understand) who were left skivvies all their life
(therefore till an old age, where the qualification changed, no idea of how
they were called in an adult age), this is from local history.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Collett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Skivvy
> Dave, you're losing the plot here.
> Think back a century or more, highly separated classes of person, minimal
> education and twelve years old or so, not sixteen plus. Ladies' maids were
> in general in their late teens or in their twenties and came from a
slightly
> higher class of person with a better education, they were probably never
> skivvies in their lives. You cannot compare with the present day. Believe
it
> or not, things HAVE changed since Victorian/Edwardian times.
>
> Roger.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Skivvy
>
>
> > > Also the skivvy would not have had the skills IMHO.
> >
> > Dunno, dear Roger (not Joanna). I can use a contemporary comparison,
> junior
> > hairdressers, shampooists, etc are simultaneously regarded as low on the
> > pecking order, and poorly paid, while expected to pay finesses of
> attention
> > to the ladies (and sometimes gentleman's) hair. What I mean is that
there
> is
> > not a necessary equation between skill and perception of status nor
> > definitely reward. Poets should know that!
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > David Bircumshaw
> >
> > Leicester, England
> >
> > Home Page
> >
> > A Chide's Alphabet
> >
> > Painting Without Numbers
> >
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Collett" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: Skivvy
> >
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> >
> > Back to the servants, and thanks again for Joanna's absorbing post, but
I
> > don't see that there would be a necessary split between forms of labour
in
> a
> > servant establishment except when numbers created hierarchies of labour.
> >
>
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> >
> > The point is that the mistress of the house would not have let a grubby
> > little skivvy get her hands, which may have been contaminated by all
sorts
> > of crap, get anywhere near her hair.
> > Also the skivvy would not have had the skills IMHO.
> >
> > Roger (not Joanna)
> >
>
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