Well, I disagree with your conclusions here. Randolph's post was obviously an accident, he is so careful and meticulous that one can draw that conclusion just from observation, and even when accidently posted the comments were a moderate assessment of Dave's behavior and posssible effects upon other listmembers. No insult was involved. I see that Randolph has apologized as I think he would for any accidently posting, but, even so, I half wish he hadn't since I think it will just lend credence to Bircumshaw's already exagerrated sense of injury.
I don't think Alison and Randolph "seem to alway lable any referencfe that doesn't suit them to be harrasssment!!! I suspect your referring to Randolph's questioning of your response to me as harrassment, because you were insisting upon calling me Becky when I had specifically requested you not do so, because you said you were "poking fun at the puffy," rather than replying to the issues involved. Part of the list rules are that no one should be personally harassed or abused.
As for David's toes, it is now quite obvious that much more personal bad behavior was involved than list members were aware of.
Rebecca
Rebecca Seiferle
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From: Geoffrey Gatza <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 04/11/03 06:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: the list
>
> Alison and Randolph seem to alway lable any referencfe that doesn't suit
them to be harrassment !!! And when they skewer Dave, whether by accident
or
not, they seem to not see the evil of their ways. Good gravy. Can't you
too
find a way to be owners of this list and members without stepping on toes?
Or this this question harrassment too, no doubt it will be.
I too am beginning to question why I am even on this list! There are real
poetic conversations on other lists but this one houses Henry Gould, Kent
Johnson, and Dave "makin' it interesting' B. This seems to make up for the
lack of productive management. Maybe a break is in order for Alison too.
Geoffrey Gatza
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----- Original Message -----
From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: the list
> Alison wrote:
>
> "I'm afraid that I agree with Trevor's analysis of passive aggression;
and
> that David's
> "defence" of me in that particular instance backfired, as I don't
> find Frederick's posts offensive, even if I deeply disgree with them,
> but I did find David's description of me subtly demeaning, even if it
> was superficially well intended. Taken in tandem with at least half
> a dozen unwelcome personal f/c references to me recently, it's coming
> close to harrassment (I do not say it is _actually_ harrassment). I
> do not wish to go further into this, as it is actually personal"
>
>
> I'm very sad that you feel so Alison, I do think that this is a classic
case
> of e-mail texture problems, even though we've met each other, something
has
> gone wrong in the lines of communication. Misunderstandings,
> misunderstandings, that's all we ever meet, so to speak.
>
>
> All the Best
>
> Dave
>
> David Bircumshaw
>
> Leicester, England
>
> Home Page
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>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: the list
>
>
> I am very sorry a casual and therefore a discussion with no attempt
> to be fair went f/c. I am quite aware that at his best and most
> thoughtful, Dave can be a stimulating member of the list.
>
> At 6:32 PM -0400 4/11/03, Sarah Peters wrote:
> >The idea that people who obviously love the list , and are not
> >intentionally trying to ruffle feathers, are put on review status is
the
> >kind of thing that makes me consider "resigning."
>
> This is what I meant by "between a rock and a hard place". I too
> don't think disciplining anyone is a good idea. I'm afraid that I
> agree with Trevor's analysis of passive aggression; and that David's
> "defence" of me in that particular instance backfired, as I don't
> find Frederick's posts offensive, even if I deeply disgree with them,
> but I did find David's description of me subtly demeaning, even if it
> was superficially well intended. Taken in tandem with at least half
> a dozen unwelcome personal f/c references to me recently, it's coming
> close to harrassment (I do not say it is _actually_ harrassment). I
> do not wish to go further into this, as it is actually personal.
>
> Best
>
> A
> --
>
>
> Alison Croggon
> Editor
> Masthead Online
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