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Re: "form"

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Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 9 Jan 2003 06:43:07 -0000

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Mark:

<<
Better a chou than a crotte, citoyen. Here's a site for you:
http://www.library.utoronto.ca/utel/rp/authors/abrad.html. Good selection
for teaching.
>>

Missed this, but remember I was teaching Anne Bradstreet before the Net was
in Full Bloom.

But yeah, that's good -- Author, Husband, House.   No bad ...  [Still, not
enough Dead Grandchildren to beef it out ... ]

<<
It was a pair of male academics, by the way, that gave us the
standard edition, whatever its faults.
>>

Huh?  IS there a standard edition?  Other than the Ann Arbor Sucks
modernised with the intro by Adriennne Rich?

Either you're retro on this or (high probability) I missed something.

<<
And there are faults enough to go
around when one pries into editions of 17th century lit, so it's probably
no one's conspiracy.
>>

:-(

{Don't start me -- what do you want, editions of Donne or Marvell?  <g>}

<<
My memory is that the interest in Bradstreet predates feminism (The Tenth
Muse was reprinted in  Boston in1758, and editions of her work  were
published in the US in 1867, 1997, 1932 and 1933--I'm looking at the 1941
Cambridge Bibliography.
>>

K, I'm batting off the top of my head here, but wasn't 10thMuse the first
(London) edition?  The one she got fronted by her brother-in-law?  Mostly
Eliza stuff.  The second (published) edition was the one that starts with
"The Author to her Book".  'Burning of the House' comes in from the MS.
Nah?

<<
In that regard Donne didn't do much
better--remember that Sam Johnson felt not the slightest qualm about
dissing metaphysicals --his coinage I think--
>>

Dryden, originally -- "Donne affects the metaphysics and perplexes the minds
of the fair sex".  (Actually, the first person to use the term was Drummond
of Hawthorndern.  I think.  Johnson put the boot in via the Life of Cowley.
Could look this up, if it matters.  <g>)

<<
in general, and that pretty
much stuck until the 1920s, when in the US the New Critics got
interested).
>>

What blew it all to buggery with the metaphysicals was Grierson's
_Metaphysical Lyrics&P_ in 1923.  And Eliot's review in the TLS.  Greirson's
edition of Donne was 1912, but no one noticed.

The New Critics (and it was Ransom who coined the term -- disparagingly)
came after.  I thunk.

<<
I don't remember the early history of her revival in the last
century, but  it's clearly happened by the time of Berryman's "Homage..."
in the 1950s.
>>

So quote me chapter-and-verse BEFORE Berryman writes "Homage to Mistress
Bradstreet" -- where it starts, for better or worse, for all of me.

<<
The impulse was more patriotic than feminist--part of the
long American search for something passing for roots in this place. And by
then there were a lot of women poets running around.
>>

Name five (other than the Sainted Emily).

<<
Which said, I'd rather be tipping one back  with you in cold dark Glasgow
than sitting in balmy  San Diego doping this stuff out.
>>

Concur.

Mind you, as I'm +still+ prolly barred from every Byres Road pub ... How
about we meet somewhere in Rose Street in Edinburgh, and down a cuppla pints
of heavy?

Yeah, I +know+... Edinburgh ... But nevertheless ...

Robin

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