JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for PHD-DESIGN Archives


PHD-DESIGN Archives

PHD-DESIGN Archives


PHD-DESIGN@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

PHD-DESIGN Home

PHD-DESIGN Home

PHD-DESIGN  2003

PHD-DESIGN 2003

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Post New Message

Post New Message

Newsletter Templates

Newsletter Templates

Log Out

Log Out

Change Password

Change Password

Subject:

Re: Metaphor and analogy

From:

"Lubomir S. Popov" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Lubomir S. Popov

Date:

Tue, 22 Jul 2003 12:23:33 -0400

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (97 lines)

Reply

Reply

There are might be other interpretations and reconstructions of the
metaphorical.

The very nature of the metaphor and its usual operational environment
presuppose contextuallity and implicit relationships. The moment we start
pinpointing the relationships, the metaphor loses its most important
properties and contributions. It ceases to be a metaphor any more. It
becomes a comparison that might be highly misleading, inaccurate, and
questionable. In such situations the heuristic properties of the metaphor
are lost and it becomes a liability for the argument.

The metaphore usually works well when the relationship is established only
in one aspect and the other aspects are not considered and may even be
screened away. Any attempt to look for other relationships might discredit
the use of use the metaphor and might provide reasons for rejecting the
argument.

Regards,

Lubomir Popov


At 11:55 AM 7/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Responding to my confusion regarding Birgits remark:
>
>"To sum up, my point  then is; do we need to sort out
>for example these
>other kinds of uses of 'design'  as merely analogical
>language for other
>purposes (if we are not interested in design-oriented
>language in other
>kinds of situations per se)? And seek appropriate
>substantial distinctions
>also for the use of the 'professional designer' term
>thus sorting out when
>the term "professional designer" is used more as an
>analogy or used
>metaphoric?"
>
>and Ken's response:
>you (Birgit) have brought up an issue that
>may lie beneath at least some of the questions and
>terminological
>problems in the debate. This is the question of
>whether some of us
>feel that we are using the term design as a metaphor
>or an analogy.
>It may also be a matter of whether some of us read
>others as doing so.
>...In this particular inquiry, I am not using the term
>"design" as
>metaphor or analogy. Metaphor, analogy, and forms of
>sensitizing
>concepts are useful ways to approach many issues in
>the initial
>stages.
>...I would be curious to know whether people feel they
>are writing (about design) metaphorically
>or explicitly.
>
>My confusion lies in the lack of explicitness
>regarding the use of the terms metaphor and analogy.
>I am also curious about what others mean when using
>these terms with reference to design.
>
>How can one usefully express an analogy without
>explicitly saying what is analogous to what? If one
>simply alludes to the similarity between things the
>analogy remains undefined (without explicit
>relationships). While suggestive of a domain of
>thought to consider - something in the domain is
>analogous - such a reference is usually not very
>helpful and may be confusing.
>
>With regard to understanding design as a metaphor for
>something else: Is "design" the source or the target
>of the metaphor?
>If we are seeking to understand "design" by reference
>to something more familiar - What is it? If we seek to
>understand something else by reference to design we
>must have a clear definition/understanding of design
>to work from. Metaphor is often used to interpret a
>designed object in terms of something else and
>sometimes used to describe the design process in terms
>of another process that is more familiar (or
>constrained i.e. engineering, problem solving, etc).
>In any event, we need to know what metaphorical
>relationship is proposed before the metaphor can
>become meaningful in a useful way.
>
>The importance of metaphorical projection to language
>and thought has been recognized (Lakoff and Johnson,
>1980 Metaphors We Live By; 1999, Philosophy in the
>Flesh, etc). Metaphor is essential to creative thought
>and design thinking, yet, again, we have no
>operational theory related to design.

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager