Hi, could I also have a copy of your paper? I am in the midst of forming a
proposal and feel like I'm floating around in mud. I should be most
grateful for any help available.
Jay Chapman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lindsey Hall" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Physiotherapy Business Proposal
> Greta,
>
> You are right about counselling services being exempt. My understanding
is
> that - after much wrangling and naval gazing - counselling services were
> considered 'welfare services' and therefore exempt from tax. The
heightened
> sensitivities about confidentiality and counselling probably also had a
part
> to play. Physiotherapy is regarded as 'medical treatment' and therefore
is
> a taxable benefit unless the reason for the physiotherapy is specifically
> related to work
>
> Lindsey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greta Thornbory" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Physiotherapy Business Proposal
>
>
> > I believe, if I am not mistaken that a similar situation occurred with
the
> > Inland Revenue regarding counselling! They tried to get employers to
find
> > out whether the counselling was due to 'work related' or 'personal'
> problems
> > so that they could apply appropriate tax on non work related problems.
> > Perhaps the TUC, RCN or one of the unions could comment here as to what
> > ultimately happened but I think it was a question that whether resulting
> > from work or not it affected work/performance and therefore it was not
> > taxable as this was not a benefit!
> >
> > Greta Thornbory
> > Consultant, Occupational health and education
> > www.gtentreprises-uk.com
> > Phone: 01235 770156
> > Mobile: 0777 815 027
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lindsey Hall <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: Physiotherapy Business Proposal
> >
> >
> > > We are in the process of doing this having just run a years trial in
> part
> > of
> > > the organisation. You will need good data to start with particularly
> > > relating to Musculo skeletal absence and the length of time people are
> > off.
> > > Then you will need the costs of providing the service from whoever you
> > > choose to provide it. Then the cost of time of your workforce. If
you
> do
> > > not do this you will need to base your business case on time saved,
days
> > > made available to the business etc. You will need to have a good
> estimate
> > > of the time saved by providing the physiotherapy, but remember to cost
> in
> > > the time of employees being away from work while they have treatment.
A
> > lot
> > > of business cases leave this out.
> > >
> > > Finally you will need to consider the tax implications. Physiotherapy
> for
> > > non work related conditions is a taxable benefit, even though it is
cost
> > > effective to provide and bring people back to work sooner - or prevent
> > > absence in the first place. If your organisation decides to pay the
> tax,
> > > then that in itself is a taxable benefit and subject to more tax. -
> potty
> > I
> > > know, especially given the Governments drive on OH issues but you
would
> do
> > > well to sort this out first. Some organisations seem to get away with
> > this
> > > if they have an understanding tax office. We have had problems.
> Perhaps
> > it
> > > is being a Govt organisation that needs to be seen to be whiter than
> > white!
> > > If you differentiate between paying the tax for work related problems
> and
> > > asking employees with non work related problems to pay their own, then
> the
> > > inevitable happens and you will end up with many claiming their
problem
> is
> > > work related when it was not which may give you all sorts of
liabilities
> > you
> > > do not want!
> > >
> > > In the end we found that providing physio to everyone regardless of
> cause
> > of
> > > injury was cost neutral. Good feelgood factor though. We are still
> > sorting
> > > out the details in relation to the tax and liability issues. The cost
> > > benefits seem to come from being reactive i.e. providing physio to
> > employees
> > > already off and bringing them back to work sooner. Providing to all
> means
> > > that you provide to many employees with minor conditions and twinges
> that
> > > would have got better without any form of intervention. This is our
> > > experience anyway. I can provide the full paper if you wish.
> > >
> > > Lindsey Hall
> > > National OH Manager
> > > Environment Agency
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sue Mclaren" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: Physiotherapy Business Proposal
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am attempting to formulate a business proposal for the
introduction
> of
> > a
> > > > physiotherapy service into the OH services section of the company I
> work
> > > > for. If list members could guide me as to what I need to consider or
> > point
> > > > me in the right direction towards useful links, I would be extremly
> > > > grateful. Kind regards, Sue Mclaren
> >
> >
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