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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frances Hendrix [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:47 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Low pay again
>
>
> There seems to be a huge diversity of pay across this sector.
>
> Only today a specialist post in London, with a tiny staff, but a huge
> personal spec requirement, is advertised (but to everyone not just
> Librarians), at £55k.
>
> The posts and opportunities that Elspeth mentioned are few
> and far between,
> and I believe that it is not necessarily a plus to have a career in
> librarianship on your CV, if applying outside the sector. The
> skills and
> experience do not appear to have a high enough value, and the
> image is not
> one that appeals to a lot of sectors. The number of people
> who have 'broken
> out' so to speak are small.Again I am aware of many
> University Librarians
> who would like to get to Assistant Director level, and only a
> few have, and
> a very few have gone from Head of Libraries in a local
> authority to the
> Executive team, and then most often, but with one or two
> notable exceptions,
> in small authorities.
>
> Current discussion about public libraries, and to some
> extent a trend, is
> to go for 'good managers', and not necessarily librarians., so are we
> considered not to be good mangers?. Perhaps there needs to be
> a root and
> branch change in the education of librarians, with more emphasis on
> libraries in the 21st Century, with the appropriate
> managerial, financial,
> and marketing skills?
>
> It is perhaps chicken and egg. If we had higher pay would we
> have a better
> image. or if we had a better image would we have higher pay?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Katherine Ingham
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Low pay again
>
>
>
> Perhaps someone should set up a librarians dating agency...
>
> Seriously, that is a ridiculous attitude, what happens if you
> want to get
> together with a fellow librarian or someone who earns less
> than you? It's
> not real life.
>
> Re Elspeth's comments about all the wonderful opportunities,
> that's true,
> and great, but not a lot of help for those of us starting
> out. I don't mind
> that I may not earn enough to join the rich list, but wages
> need to reflect
> the qualifications & experience required. I currently run a
> small childcare
> library which I got without experience and have been learning
> on the job all
> along, but I decided I ought to get a library qualification
> to continue in
> the sector. So I've got myself into even more debt to do
> this but I do
> enjoy the work, so that's ok. BUT it doesn't seem right that
> many library
> jobs advertised that I could apply for won't really give me a
> significant
> rise on what I earn (if at all), which won't help with paying
> all my student
> debt off. If you want experienced, qualified staff you have
> to pay them
> well! I also think those year long graduate trainee posts are paid
> pitifully.
>
> It seems to be something public sector workers suffer from in
> general, I
> have a friend who is an assistant psychologist who earns less
> than me but
> must work twice as hard. We need public sector workers & not
> everyone wants
> to be a graduate consultant with a faceless banking
> organisation. My ex
> (who I obviously should have got to stick with me in order to
> continue with
> my career), graduated at the same time as me & is now a
> chartered surveyor
> who won't take less than 30K in his next job. Why should
> surveyors earn so
> much more than librarians?
>
> I know eventually I can take up one of those wonderful jobs that isn't
> necessarily advertised as information work but I kind of need
> to live now!
> Also I might not want one of those jobs.
>
> Anyway, that's my rant for now, I do love my job & I do want
> to stay in the
> sector but slightly more realistic wages would help us all
> relax & enjoy
> life a little more. Especially those of us in our 20s who
> are suffering
> from the government's ridiculous policies on student finance.
>
> Katherine Ingham
> Learning Resource Administrator
> Children's Information Service
> 9 Leopold Street
> Sheffield
> S1 2GY
>
> Telephone (0114) 249 6379
> Fax (0114) 249 6376
> Email [log in to unmask]
>
> Visit our website @ http://www.childrenfirst.org.uk
> <http://www.childrenfirst.org.uk>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith O'Sullivan [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:07 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: FW: Low pay again
>
> No, this is the sort of suggestion which must be
> countered. It's
> simply not
> acceptable for a graduate profession, one that I would assume
> wants to be
> taken seriously, to be predicated on this basis. (Not to say
> quite demeaning
>
> for a lot of male librarians- I write from personal
> experience). KMCO.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheila Thomas [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
> Sent: 03 February 2003 09:37
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Low pay again
>
>
> > I do love the work, but I
> > don't see how I can afford to stay. Is there a nether class of
> > librarian in FE?
>
> I don't think the problem is confined to those
> working in FE. I've
> seen my
> salary fall further and further behind over the years, and my
> standard of
> living drop as the cost of living rises.
> At a recent meeting in Cambridge of ELIPP it was suggested by
> one of the
> attendees that the secret to surviving on a librarian's
> salary was to have a
>
> partner who worked in a better-paid profession - this met
> with agreement
> from many directions.
> I suppose this is where I am going wrong. I should be
> concentrating on
> finding someone to partially support me instead of looking
> for that elusive
> information-related job with a good salary where the recruiters will
> appreciate that my CV loaded with many years of database work
> really is
> worth consideration.
> --
> Sheila Thomas [log in to unmask]
> Web Manager at TWI
> http://www.twi.co.uk <http://www.twi.co.uk>
>
>
>
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