Yes indeed - it is equally usable at title and article level. I'm sure
Norman could tell us more
Sally
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> Sally et.al.
>
> And I would guess some form of DOI could be used at the journal title
level
> as well.
>
> Chuck Hamaker
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sally Morris
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 7/8/03 4:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Keeping Journal URLs Up to Date - How To Spot the Changes -
An
> Example from Ingenta Select and Multilingual Matters and its Channel View
> Imprint
>
> Sorry this is a rather late response
>
> This type of problem is precisely what the Digital Object Identifier
> (DOI)
> is designed to avoid. Whatever happens to the URL for a journal (or
> article), the DOI remains the same and is simply redirected.
>
> Sally
>
>
> Sally Morris, Secretary-General
> Association of Learned and Professional Society Publishers
> South House, The Street, Clapham, Worthing, West Sussex BN13 3UU, UK
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lesley Crawshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Keeping Journal URLs Up to Date - How To Spot the Changes -
> An
> Example from Ingenta Select and Multilingual Matters and its Channel
> View
> Imprint
>
>
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > The URLs that I was citing were the ones that appeared in the address
> > bar on my browser i.e. that I ended up at from our "stable" but
> > incorrect URLs - our OPAC URLs don't include load balancing and user
> > customization.
> >
> > Sometimes from we were redirected to the correct and up to date page
> for
> > that title, but sometimes we were sent to an out of date page for that
> > title. Whether you ended up at the "correct" page by being redirected
> > for that title seems to depend on which server you are lucky to be
> > redirected to.
> >
> > For IRGEE this was the URL on our OPAC (not mustafa.ingentaselect.com
> > which I inadvertently mistyped as the stable URL for this title):
> >
> > http://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/mm/10382046/contp1.htm which has
> > now been changed to:
> >
> > http://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/cv/10382046/contp1.htm
> >
> > For the Journal of Sustainable Tourism this was the URL on our OPAC:
> >
> > http://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/mm/09669582/contp1.htm which has
> > now been changed to:
> >
> > http://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/mm/09669582/contp1.htm
> >
> >
> > Surely I have made a fair criticism in this particular example. These
> > problems may seem minor and insignificant, but if you are sending your
> > users to out of date pages, it's not a very good advertisement.
> >
> > And yes of course we should be encouraging services to provide good
> > documentation for librarians, but that doesn't mean that where there
> are
> > problems with a service that it shouldn't be open to criticism. Surely
> > this is all useful feedback and alerts those librarians who may also
> > have incorrect links that could cause problems for their users.
> >
> > And yes it would be great if the merry go round of merging, demerging,
> > acquisition etc. might slow down to make all our lives easier, but
> then
> > pigs might fly!
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lesley
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Lesley Crawshaw, Faculty Information Consultant,
> > Learning and Information Services,
> > University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, AL10 9AB UK
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > phone: 01707 284662 fax: 01707 284666
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric Hellman
> > Sent: 19 June 2003 15:38
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Keeping Journal URLs Up to Date - How To Spot the Changes
> -
> > An Example from Ingenta Select and Multilingual Matters and its
> Channel
> > View Imprint
> >
> >
> > I had a look at our coverage for IRGEE.
> >
> > Ingenta does a rather nice job of providing information on their
> titles
> > and on their linking. You can have them send you files on a monthly
> > basis by e-mail. see http://www.ingentaselect.com/opacs.htm
> > In the case of IRGEE, the recommended URLs are
> > http://www.ingentaselect.com/nw=1/rpsv/cw/cv/10382046/contp1.htm and
> > http://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/cv/10382046/contp1.htm These URLs
> > work.
> >
> > The ingenta select publishing system uses redirects to accomplish load
> > balancing, user customization, while at the same time providing stable
> > urls. The urls that you cite include session parameters and
> circoumvent
> > the loadbalancing, so it seems a bit unfair to me to complain that
> they
> > aren't stable.
> >
> > I know it can be disorienting to have a publishing service provide
> good
> > documentation for e-librarians. Seems to me that we should be
> > encouraging similar services to do as good a job as ingenta does. Now
> if
> > only we could get them to stop the merging, acquiring and rebranding.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > At 9:56 AM +0100 6/19/03, Lesley Crawshaw wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I don't think that we can be the only ones struggling to keep the
> > >ejournal URLs on our OPACs up to date. Although we are out to tender
> > >for a link resolver and portal system and will be looking at serial
> > >management systems in the near future, at present we have to do it
> the
> > >old-fashioned way i.e. by hard graft. Other times we spot problems
> > >purely by a chance encounter, as in the following example.
> > >
> > >We have had online access through Ingenta Select (and its previous
> > >incarnation Catchword) ever since early 1999 to 6 journals published
> by
> >
> > >Multilingual Matters, or is it Channel View Publications, its
> imprint?
> > >Strangely enough this is significant because the URLs we have on our
> > >OPAC for two of its titles, are no longer working, and all because
> the
> > >mm in the URL for the publisher Multilingual Matters has changed to
> cv
> > >for its imprint Channel View Publications.
> > >
> > >It's not the first time subtle changes in publisher imprints on
> Ingenta
> > >Select have caused us problems, we had some problems a long while
> back
> > >when Taylor and Francis reorganised some of its titles within its
> > >imprints, causing a change in the publisher code used in the URL. We
> > >also had some problems when Sage changed some of its journals codes,
> > >and links stopped working.
> > >
> > >I almost didn't notice that there had been a change because there was
> > >an automatic redirection in place on Ingenta Select for the Journal
> of
> > >Sustainable Tourism, one of the Channel View Imprints on my first
> > >attempt. Once again it depends on which server one ends up on as to
> > >whether a redirect is in place to take you to the up to date content
> > >for this title.
> > >
> > >It was only when I checked International Research in Geographical
> > >Education (IRGEE), that I ended up on Ingenta Select on a page where
> > >the latest volume was Volume 10 Issue 1 2001!! There was no
> redirection
> >
> > >for this title when I tried it, and the URL in the address bar was
> > >still showing the publisher as mm not cv as one might expect. My
> first
> > >question was has this journal ceased or is it running behind
> schedule?
> > >When I changed the mm for cv I got taken to the correct page where
> the
> > >latest volume was Vol. 11(2) (2002)
> > >
> > >Having reported problems with servers on Ingenta Select not always
> > >having the same content previously, it seemed that I was encountering
> a
> >
> > >similar problem and once again it appeared to be that some servers
> (or
> > >one at least) were not redirecting the link to the correct up to date
> > >page for that title. I have now reported this problem to ingenta
> > >select, so it may be sorted by the time you check some of these
> links.
> > >
> > >If I end up on the following servers there is no redirect in place
> for
> > >IRGEE and I end up on an out of date page:
> > >
> >
> >http://isacco.ingentaselect.com/vl=12676153/cl=11/nw=1/rpsv/catchword/m
> > >m
> > >/10382046/contp1.htm
> > >
> > >Or
> > >
> >
> >http://konstanza.ingentaselect.com/vl=3772318/cl=35/nw=1/rpsv/catchword
> > >/
> > >mm/10382046/contp1-1.htm
> > >
> > >Or
> > >
> >
> >http://mustafa.ingentaselect.com/vl=1066404/cl=38/nw=1/rpsv/catchword/m
> > >m
> > >/10382046/contp1.htm
> > >
> > >If I end up on the following servers for the Journal of Sustainable
> > >Tourism there is no redirect for this title and once again I end up
> on
> > >an out of date page where the latest issue for this journal is Vol.
> > >9(4)
> > >(2001) rather than Vol 19(5) (2002):
> > >
> >
> >http://isacco.ingentaselect.com/vl=13145285/cl=29/nw=1/rpsv/cw/mm/09669
> > >5
> > >82/contp1.htm
> > >
> > >When did this change happened, well it must have been in 2002 judging
> > >by the content of the out of date page. So are we the only ones that
> > >didn't spot this? No!
> > >
> > >I then searched COPAC (http://www.copac.ac.uk/) to see if they had
> > >correct links for IRGEE. Only Birmingham had correct link for this
> > >title on its catalogue, all the others had mm rather than cv, in some
> > >cases they got redirected, in other cases they didn't.
> > >
> > >I then searched COPAC for Journal of Sustainable Tourism to see if
> they
> > >had correct links. Not one had the correct electronic link to this
> > >resource, although some got redirected.
> > >
> > >One concern about some of the entries on COPAC was that they were
> lots
> > >of different URLs for these titles, some linking to specific servers,
> > >some linking to www.catchword.com (which is still working), so with
> > >extraneous material in the URL that isn't needed.
> > >
> > >
> > >This episode raises a number of questions:
> > >
> > >1. It appears to be a bit of a hit or miss affair, if one is using mm
> > >in the URL, that one gets redirected to the correct and up to date
> site
> >
> > >for this title. It can't be very impressive for the users to end up
> on
> > >a site which hasn't been updated for over a year. Not a good advert
> for
> >
> > >ejournals.
> > >
> > >2. Who is the publisher of these titles? Is it Channel View
> > >Publications, Multilingual Matters or Multilingual Matters and
> Channel
> > >View Publications? Is the publisher aware that this change means some
> > >of us are being directed to old content, which is not publicity for
> > >these titles. Why make that particular change in the first place?
> > >
> > >3. When are these problems with some of the Ingenta Select servers
> not
> > >being in synch going to be resolved? For those of us checking titles,
> > >how can we be sure we are seeing the latest content?
> > >
> > >4. How are we to be kept up to date with these subtle changes? How
> long
> > >does a redirect stay in place?
> > >
> > >Finally what is the correct URL for these titles:
> > >
> > >IRGEE should be
> > >http://mustafa.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/cv/10382046/contp1.htm
> > >
> > >Journal of Sustainable Tourism should be
> > >http://www.ingentaselect.com/rpsv/cw/cv/09669582/contp1.htm
> > >
> > >I hope this all makes sense and apologies if it is a little
> > >long-winded.
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Lesley
> > >
> > >
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >Lesley Crawshaw, Faculty Information Consultant,
> > >Learning and Information Services,
> > >University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, AL10 9AB UK
> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > >phone: 01707 284662 fax: 01707 284666
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> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
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