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Re: HILLFORT terms

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"Siddall, Jason" <[log in to unmask]>

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The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH)

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Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:24:39 -0000

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hmm I think this needs some careful consideration before it gets
downgraded ...

but I agree with Phil the term

HILLFORT is misleading ....

it is however a common term used by just about everyone and is well
understood and envisioned .. but maybe that is the problem

I do like

DEFENDED ENCLOSURE

it allows flexibility i.e. is the enclosure on a hill or is it in the
valley etc ...

it does not mean we cannot use HILLFORT ..

however it is a shame we cannot be more complicated about our thesaurus
instead of hierarchical .. there are people out there that understand
this better than I but you can have synomns .. and indeed
polyhierachical etc

but maybe we could restrict HILLFORT to a class of monument that is on a
hilltop - however you then get to the issue what is a hilltop so ... etc
etc lots of avenues for problems there

maybe

DEFENDED ENCLOSURE

is better ....

As GIS comes into the fore location and aspect of our monuments becomes
ever more important ...

the issues surrounding the Monument Types are that they should be almost
generic ...

sort of a generic monument class and a descriptive class

I would say that HILLFORT is a little misleading

cheers
Jason A. Siddall
NTSMR Officer

-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:13 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [FISH] HILLFORT terms


Hello Phil,

It would be a great pity to relegate such a well-established and widely
quoted term to non-preferred status. I don't think that this would help
monument inventories to communicate with their users.

I have a 'hillfort' that is only 4m above sea level. It is indexed under
the
term 'enclosed settlement', which makes much more sense in its landscape
context. If I didn't have evidence for settlement it would have to be an
'enclosure' - which although ubiquitous is not misleading.

Regards,
Ben Robinson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlisle, Philip [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 13 February 2003 11:31
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [FISH] HILLFORT terms
>
> Dear all
>
> A suggestion has come in from a concerned user about what to call a
> monument
> when it looks like a hillfort but it's not on a hill. One suggestion
has
> been to remove the term Hillfort from the Thesaurus of Monument Types
and
> make it a non-preferred term of DEFENDED ENCLOSURE.
>
> As a medievalist/concrete lover I don't have a problem with this but
I'm
> sure all you 3-Age system lovers out there will have an opinion on
this so
> could you let me know
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil


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