You're right. Now it is getting silly. If you read closely the panel
does criticize Lomborg for being biased - one-sided - and for not
being scientific. My point is that this may lead some to believe
that real science is NOT biased and one-sided which, in many cases,
it is. Geez! Take it for what it is.
Mike
> Oh, this is getting silly. The panel *did not* "slam" Lomborg for
> being biased or politically or economically motivated. They just said
> that the book should not be taken as a scientific publication. Why is
> the point being lost here? Lomborg's book has been widely hailed as
> "scientific" in the press and otherwise. The panel says it shouldn't,
> no statements about the philosophical nature of science, bias,
> politics, or anything else. Geez, makes me wish I'd kept my computer
> shut. Steven
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion forum for environmental ethics.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Meuser
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:47 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Lomborg ad nauseum
>
> Interesting that they're slamming him for not being scientific and for
> being biased as though science and scientists are not biased,
> politically and economically directed and motivated at times.
>
> Mike
>
> > --- STEVEN BISSELL <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Again, all I can say is SE is not *about* statistics, it is about
> > > environmental science. Lomborg can't claim to only be interested
> > > in statistics if he writes an entire book about scientific issues.
> > > By the way, if you read SE you'll see little or no details about
> > > Lomborg's analysis, just his conclusions and the *big* numbers.
> >
> > I understand, but he doesn't claim to be a scientist does he? As
> > for Pernille's comments below...looks like he is a
> > politician...sorry if I don't believe that kind of creature.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > > sb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Steve Verdon <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: "Discussion forum for environmental ethics."
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Lomborg ad nauseum
> > > >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:28:18 -0800
> > > >
> > > > >>"Bjoern Lomborg is a provocative environmental debater (and)
> > > > >>he
> > > >should be allowed to be that," said Pernille Blach Hansen of the
> > > >opposition Social Democrats. "The problem is that he and the
> > > >government have presented him as something he is not: namely a
> > > >scientist." <<
> > > >
> > > >Gee, does this mean scientists are going to stop doing statistics
> > > >too? After all people might get the idea they actually think
> > > >they know something about statistics...
> > > >
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Steven Bissell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > Here's an article about Lomborg. Seems his peers in Denmark
> > > smell
> > > > > something rotten (oh, come on! I had to do it.) Interesting
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > panel felt, as I do, that Lomborg's failure to cite common
> > > source
> > > > > which
> > > > > do not necessarily agree with him is/was suspicious. However I
> > > am a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > aghast that Lomborg was actually appointed to a position of
> > > > > authority on any environmental issue.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Steven
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Danish panel says controversial book not scientific
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday, January 08, 2003
> > > > >
> > > > > The Associated Press
> > > > >
> > > > > COPENHAGEN, Denmark - A Danish panel of scientists said
> > > > > Tuesday that a controversial book challenging the sacred cows
> > > > > of the
> > > environmental
> > > > > movement was not a scientific publication.
> > > > >
> > > > > In his 2001 best seller, "The Skeptical Environmentalist,"
> > > Danish
> > > > > statistician Bjoern Lomborg said concerns about melting ice
> > > caps,
> > > > > deforestation, acid rain were exaggerated. He claimed that the
> > > > > global environmental situation was not deteriorating. The book
> > > > > was translated into a dozen languages and generated criticism
> > > > > from environmentalists worldwide.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty said the
> > > 350-page
> > > > > book
> > > > > "is clearly in violation of the norms for good scientific
> > > > > behavior." The agency reviewed the book after complaints from
> > > > > four scientists, including Stuart Pimm, an ecologist at the
> > > > > Center for
> > > Environmental
> > > > > Research and Conservation at Columbia University in New York.
> > > He
> > > > > did not
> > > > > immediately return a call from The Associated Press.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hans Henrik Brydensholt, the panel's chairman, said Lomborg
> > > > > did
> > > not
> > > > > make
> > > > > "thorough searches for all available sources ... including
> > > > > what goes against one's supposition. ...He used sources in
> > > > > favor of his
> > > own
> > > > > beliefs," he said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lomborg acknowledged Tuesday that he may not have always
> > > > > quoted
> > > all
> > > > > available sources, but said the panel failed to provide any
> > > > > examples of the alleged unfairness, he said. "I have never
> > > > > tried to hide
> > > that I
> > > > > wasn't an environment specialist," Lomborg said, adding his
> > > book
> > > > > was
> > > > > meant to start a debate on the environment.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ruling didn't include any penalty, but opponents of the
> > > > > Liberal-Conservative government said it was an indicator that
> > > > > Lomborg shouldn't have been named director of the national
> > > Environmental
> > > > > Assessment Institute, which monitors the use by state agencies
> > > of
> > > > > public
> > > > > funds aimed at cutting pollution.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bjoern Lomborg is a provocative environmental debater (and)
> > > > > he should be allowed to be that," said Pernille Blach Hansen
> > > > > of the opposition Social Democrats. "The problem is that he
> > > > > and the government
> > > have
> > > > > presented him as something he is not: namely a scientist."
> > > > >
> > > > > A former member of Greenpeace, Lomborg has argued that a
> > > solution
> > > > > to
> > > > > pollution is more likely to be found in economic and
> > > technological
> > > > > progress than in the policies advocated by many
> > > environmentalist
> > > > > organizations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Copyright 2003, Associated Press
> > > > > All Rights Reserved
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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