Dear Michael
The thing I love about researching and drawing is gaining some new
understanding - see something diferently. Although related to my idea
of phenomenological drawing, this is quite a different approach.
Thank you.
David
On 3 Mar 2003 at 12:32, Michael A R Biggs wrote:
> From the PhD thesis of Daro Montag, University of Hertfordshire, 2000
>
> Talbot, H. F. 1839. Some account of the art of photogenic drawing or, The
> process by which natural objects may be made to delineate themselves
> without the aid of the artist's pencil. In Photography: Essays and images.
> Edited by Newhall, B. 1980. New York: Museum of Modern Art. 28.
> _____ . (1844) 1959. The pencil of nature. London. Reprinted in Image June
> 1995.
>
> I hope all 3 are useful.
> Michael
>
>
> At 12:11 03/03/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Dear Michael
> >
> >Thank you for that quote and an additional research vista - do you
> >have the book reference?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >David
> >
> >On 2 Mar 2003 at 10:37, Michael A R Biggs wrote:
> >
> > > Dear George and everyone
> > >
> > > May I suggest that to reassert the "research agenda", as suggested by
> > > George on 26/2/2003, it might be a good idea to ensure a mixture of
> > > research students and supervisors/experienced researchers at such meetings.
> > > I too, was interested in David's "auto-graph" research, because I recently
> > > supervised a PhD on the "auto-graphic" possibilities of non-camera based
> > > photography (if mention of photography is not banned on this list). Fox
> > > Talbot regarded photography as "the pencil of Nature". About his first
> > > image he said "this building, I believe to be the first that was ever yet
> > > known to have drawn its own picture."
> > >
> > > Michael Biggs
> > >
> > > At 11:21 27/02/2003 +0000, George Whale wrote:
> > > >Dear All
> > > >
> > > >The point I was trying to make was that we need to think seriously about
> > > >providing appropriate forums (fora?) for drawing researchers (especially
> > > >those doing MPhils and PhDs) to talk about their work in depth and obtain
> > > >feedback from peers. At present, there appears to be precious few
> > > >opportunities for us to do so. As a Drawing **Research** Network, perhaps
> > > >we could discuss how the situation might be improved.
> > > >
> > > >My suggestion would be to restructure the meetings of the Network. For me,
> > > >the most interesting and relevant bits of previous meetings have been
> > where
> > > >individual (MPhil, PhD) researchers have presented their work, but it's
> > > >been obvious that 10 minutes apiece is nowhere near enough time and, with
> > > >all the other items on the agenda, there has been little time for
> > > >meaningful discussions.
> > > >
> > > >Is it possible that the bulk of the business of the Network (notifying
> > > >members of drawing related activities, publications, exhibitions and
> > so on)
> > > >could be conducted electronically (on this list), so that future meetings
> > > >could be devoted to presentation and discussion of individual research
> > > >projects?
> > > >
> > > >One respondent to my previous message spoke about his own, very
> > > >interesting, research topic and said that he "would be delighted to make a
> > > >presentation and/or take part in a dialogue about this and related areas
> > > >of...research in drawing". I daresay there are other researchers who feel
> > > >the same way.
> > > >
> > > >1. Depending on the length of each meeting, we could invite maybe two or
> > > >three PhD/MPhil researchers to make in-depth presentations to the
> > group of,
> > > >say, 30 minutes each. Ideally, each presenter would circulate a summary
> > > >beforehand, allowing group members to think about the issues before the
> > > >meeting takes place.
> > > >
> > > >2. Each presentation would be followed by up to 30 minutes of (hopefully)
> > > >informed, focussed discussion about the specific content and context
> > of the
> > > >research and related methodological issues.
> > > >
> > > >3. We could ask presenters to provide text and images of their
> > > >presentations for publication on the website that Steve Garner put
> > together
> > > ><www.drawing.org.uk>. In time, these contributions could build into a
> > > >valuable repository of current and recent drawing research.
> > > >
> > > >I do feel very strongly that those of us who are studying for research
> > > >degrees or conducting post-doctoral research need to be more assertive in
> > > >setting the agenda and ensuring that our work gets a proper hearing.
> > > >
> > > >Yours
> > > >
> > > >George Whale.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 04:43 PM 2/26/03 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >...or could it be that such divisive dogma is a self fulfilling
> > > > >prophesy?
> > > > >Martin Salisbury
> > > > >Course Leader, MA Children's Book Illustration APU Cambridge
> > > > >(Practitioner/Researcher)
> > > > >On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:52:18 +0000 George Whale <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/ac/ad/htmlpages/staff/gwhale.html
> > > >
> > > >George Whale
> > > >Research Associate
> > > >Loughborough University School of Art & Design (LUSAD)
> > > >Loughborough
> > > >Leicestershire
> > > >LE11 3TU
> > > >UK
> > > >
> > > >Tel: +44 (0)1509 228967
> > > >Mobile: 07944 751088
> > > >Fax: +44 (0)1509 228902
> > >
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> > > Dr Michael A R Biggs
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> > >
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> Dr Michael A R Biggs
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>
> Faculty of Art and Design, University of Hertfordshire
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> United Kingdom
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