Anthony,
For information
Yes we use the HEFCE funding formula
Not convinced that the figures are accurate, it takes time to shift
resources and HESA doesn't really capture this.
Don't teach media studies.

Anna

Anna Grey
Senior Planning Officer
University of Hull
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
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> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of R.Messer
> Sent: 20 October 2003 13:32
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Changes to HEFCE funding implementation
>
> Anthony
>
> (a) Yes, we do
>
> (b) Simply not possible to give a general answer (and that's part of
the
> objection to trying to rush this through)
>
> (c) N/A
>
> Richard
>
>
> Dr Richard Messer
> Director of Planning Support
> The University of Reading
> 0118 8318531
>
>
> "A. Young" wrote:
>
> > How about a straw poll on:
> >
> > (a) how many institutions use the HEFCE price bands as a basis for
internal
> > resource allocation?
> >
> > (b) how many feel that the new price bands reflect costs more
accurately
> > than the old ones?
> >
> > (C) does *anyone* with Media Studies find that its costs are typical
of
> > classroom-based subjects?
> >
> > Here at Sussex, we broadly follow the HEFCE model, except that we
have
> > added extra price bands, one mid way between classroom and
semi-laboratory
> > and another mid way between semi-laboratory and laboratory.
> >
> > Anthony Young
> > Director of Planning
> >
> > --On 17 October 2003 13:13 +0100 Mike Milne-Picken
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear concerned of Hull
> > >
> > > I would guess that what will happen is that they will use the new
> > > methodology for the first time in the March 04 Funding Letter to
> > > calculate assumed standard resource for 2004-05 from HESES03 and
HESA
> > > 2002-03 (HEIFES03 and ILR 2002-03 F04 for us in FEIs).  They do
this
> > > every year (Table D), but will just use the new method.  Your
actual
> > > resource will be based on your previous allocation for 03-04,
modified
> > > by the various adjustments for inflation and Additional Student
Numbers
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > If you are outside the plus or minus 5% tolerance band then they
will
> > > discuss that with you.  Contrary to the scare stories in the THES
> > > yesterday, I wouldn't anticipate immediate reductions or increases
in
> > > funding, as you will have up to three years to get back into the
> > > tolerance band and you can always do that by adjusting your
student
> > > numbers (or their characteristics esp. price group proportions) in
> > > 04-05, to be monitored in HESES04.  After that (March 2005), if
you are
> > > still outside the tolerance band they will want to discuss it in
more
> > > detail with you.  I think I'm right in saying that after the 1997
> > > change, some institutions existed outside the tolerance band for
several
> > > years without significant change in grant allocations.  Since it
is all
> > > likely to change again in 2006-07, this may be a storm in a
tea-cup.
> > >
> > > Your HE advisor should be able to provide more info.
> > >
> > > On a more partisan note, the continued existence of nonsense like
> > > 'Minority Subjects' and the 'Premium for Old and Historic
Buildings'
> > > drives a coach and horses through the notion of funding equality
anyway.
> > > But at least I think the majority of changes they propose are
moves in
> > > the right direction (but then I would say that, since we would be
20%
> > > underfunded anyway, but believe me, I do genuinely believe they
are
> > > better than the status quo).
> > >
> > > Of course, if you use the HEFCE method in your internal resource
> > > allocations for your Faculties/Schools/Departments (income-led
> > > resourcing), then you've got a major job of work in the Spring to
work
> > > out your new budgets for 04-05!
> > >
> > > Good luck to anyone who has to explain this to a Vice Chancellor
or
> > > non-planner!! (or even a journalist)
> > >
> > > Mike (your friendly agony aunt)
> > >
> > >         -----Original Message-----
> > >         From: Anna Grey [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > >         Sent: 17 October 2003 11:15
> > >         To: [log in to unmask]
> > >         Subject: Changes to HEFCE funding implementation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Dear All,
> > >
> > >         I think I've finally managed to work through the HEFCE
funding
> > > changes and the implications of the various changes.  (If anyone
has any
> > > suggestions for really simple ways to explain the HEFCE funding
model to
> > > non-planners, I'd be grateful!).  I'm still not quite sure why
this is
> > > being done at this time, given the way the block grant contract
operates
> > > but that's life.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         However, given my assumption that there are likely to be
some
> > > significant changes, has anyone worked out how this is going to be
> > > implemented, both by HEFCE and internally within their
institution?
> > > Reading the document, the changes will be reported in the March
funding
> > > letter, based I assume of the HESES data.  But we are about to
undertake
> > > a HESES return, based on the old funding methodology and we aren't
> > > returning anything about split Bands etc.  Are HEFCE going to do
the
> > > reassignment based on the HESA return we've just put in?
Incidentally,
> > > has anyone else spotted the odd way that the Foundation Degree
premium
> > > is assigned?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         My concern is that the changes and implications are going
to
> > > come through too late for them to be fed into our resource
allocation
> > > methods and particularly fee assumptions.  Anyone yet looked at
how it
> > > will be dealt with internally?  Yes I know it is a block grant
that we
> > > can give it out how we like, but strangely some department heads
don't
> > > see it that way.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         You may not wish to comment publicly over admin planning,
so if
> > > you want to comment direct to me, feel free.  I'll send a summary
if any
> > > of the comments are repeatable!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         Anna
> > >
> > >         (concerned of Hull)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > ------------
> > >
> > >         Anna Grey
> > >
> > >         Senior Planning Officer
> > >
> > >         Planning and Quality Office
> > >
> > >         [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >         (01482) 466867
> > >
> > >
> > >