Anthony
(a) Yes, we do
(b) Simply not possible to give a general answer (and that's part of the
objection to trying to rush this through)
(c) N/A
Richard
Dr Richard Messer
Director of Planning Support
The University of Reading
0118 8318531
"A. Young" wrote:
> How about a straw poll on:
>
> (a) how many institutions use the HEFCE price bands as a basis for internal
> resource allocation?
>
> (b) how many feel that the new price bands reflect costs more accurately
> than the old ones?
>
> (C) does *anyone* with Media Studies find that its costs are typical of
> classroom-based subjects?
>
> Here at Sussex, we broadly follow the HEFCE model, except that we have
> added extra price bands, one mid way between classroom and semi-laboratory
> and another mid way between semi-laboratory and laboratory.
>
> Anthony Young
> Director of Planning
>
> --On 17 October 2003 13:13 +0100 Mike Milne-Picken
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Dear concerned of Hull
> >
> > I would guess that what will happen is that they will use the new
> > methodology for the first time in the March 04 Funding Letter to
> > calculate assumed standard resource for 2004-05 from HESES03 and HESA
> > 2002-03 (HEIFES03 and ILR 2002-03 F04 for us in FEIs). They do this
> > every year (Table D), but will just use the new method. Your actual
> > resource will be based on your previous allocation for 03-04, modified
> > by the various adjustments for inflation and Additional Student Numbers
> > etc.
> >
> > If you are outside the plus or minus 5% tolerance band then they will
> > discuss that with you. Contrary to the scare stories in the THES
> > yesterday, I wouldn't anticipate immediate reductions or increases in
> > funding, as you will have up to three years to get back into the
> > tolerance band and you can always do that by adjusting your student
> > numbers (or their characteristics esp. price group proportions) in
> > 04-05, to be monitored in HESES04. After that (March 2005), if you are
> > still outside the tolerance band they will want to discuss it in more
> > detail with you. I think I'm right in saying that after the 1997
> > change, some institutions existed outside the tolerance band for several
> > years without significant change in grant allocations. Since it is all
> > likely to change again in 2006-07, this may be a storm in a tea-cup.
> >
> > Your HE advisor should be able to provide more info.
> >
> > On a more partisan note, the continued existence of nonsense like
> > 'Minority Subjects' and the 'Premium for Old and Historic Buildings'
> > drives a coach and horses through the notion of funding equality anyway.
> > But at least I think the majority of changes they propose are moves in
> > the right direction (but then I would say that, since we would be 20%
> > underfunded anyway, but believe me, I do genuinely believe they are
> > better than the status quo).
> >
> > Of course, if you use the HEFCE method in your internal resource
> > allocations for your Faculties/Schools/Departments (income-led
> > resourcing), then you've got a major job of work in the Spring to work
> > out your new budgets for 04-05!
> >
> > Good luck to anyone who has to explain this to a Vice Chancellor or
> > non-planner!! (or even a journalist)
> >
> > Mike (your friendly agony aunt)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anna Grey [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 17 October 2003 11:15
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Changes to HEFCE funding implementation
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I think I've finally managed to work through the HEFCE funding
> > changes and the implications of the various changes. (If anyone has any
> > suggestions for really simple ways to explain the HEFCE funding model to
> > non-planners, I'd be grateful!). I'm still not quite sure why this is
> > being done at this time, given the way the block grant contract operates
> > but that's life.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, given my assumption that there are likely to be some
> > significant changes, has anyone worked out how this is going to be
> > implemented, both by HEFCE and internally within their institution?
> > Reading the document, the changes will be reported in the March funding
> > letter, based I assume of the HESES data. But we are about to undertake
> > a HESES return, based on the old funding methodology and we aren't
> > returning anything about split Bands etc. Are HEFCE going to do the
> > reassignment based on the HESA return we've just put in? Incidentally,
> > has anyone else spotted the odd way that the Foundation Degree premium
> > is assigned?
> >
> >
> >
> > My concern is that the changes and implications are going to
> > come through too late for them to be fed into our resource allocation
> > methods and particularly fee assumptions. Anyone yet looked at how it
> > will be dealt with internally? Yes I know it is a block grant that we
> > can give it out how we like, but strangely some department heads don't
> > see it that way.
> >
> >
> >
> > You may not wish to comment publicly over admin planning, so if
> > you want to comment direct to me, feel free. I'll send a summary if any
> > of the comments are repeatable!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Anna
> >
> > (concerned of Hull)
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------------
> >
> > Anna Grey
> >
> > Senior Planning Officer
> >
> > Planning and Quality Office
> >
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > (01482) 466867
> >
> >
> >
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