Thanks Rick,
He didn't say what stage the building was at. I agree with you that it
would be extremely difficult to change spec once the project was underway,
but think positively - we might be lucky!
On your point about the revised Part M, the revision did not alter
dwellings, so this anomaly will stay, at least for the time being.
Regards, John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Environmental Services Department
Ext. 1630
DDI. 01295 221630
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Townson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 01 July 2003 11:36
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Urgent Advice on Lift Provision in Flats
John
I tend to agree with you the bigger the better as far as I
am concerned
(size does matter ;-). However what stage is the project
at. If at design
stage it may be possible to re-specify but extremely
difficult if the
building is underway.
As for the enforcement issue, BC Officers would probably
find it extremely
difficult to enforce the issue as Stannah has stated that
the lift has been
seen as suitable in other locations even though it doesn't
meet the
requirements of Part M. ARGH!
My opinion on this one would be that to try and fight for
1100mm x 1400mm
would be a hiding to nothing and that in the end the
Architect will get
their way. You may well be better served advising of the
potential
difficulties in order for future designs to be more
inclusive. Bring on the
amended Part M!
Not sure whether this helps.
Regards
Rick Townson
Senior Access Consultant
The Kepplewray Project
Broughton in Furness
Cumbria LA20 6HE
Tel : 01229 716936
Fax : 01229 716938
Web : www.kepplewray.org.uk
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From: "John Gregory" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 01 July 2003 11:23
Subject: Urgent Advice on Lift Provision in Flats
> Hi All,
>
> I have just received a call from one of our Building
Control Officers
> regarding the installation of a passenger lift in a
proposed block of
flats.
> The Architect proposes to install a lift with dimensions
of 850mm x
1250mm.
>
> Approved Document Part M requires:
>
> 9.7 One way of satisfying the requirement would be to
provide a passenger
> lift which (leaving out a. and b.):
>
> c. has a car whose width is at least 900mm and whose
length is at
least
> 1250mm (other dimensions may satisfy the requirement where
shown by test
> evidence or experience in use, or otherwise, to be
suitable for an
> unaccompanied wheelchair user);
>
> Referring to the statement in parenthesis, the Architect
has contacted the
> manufacturer of the proposed passenger lift (Stannah) who
have told him
that
> they have installed 850mm wide passenger lifts for other
local authorities
> and have had no complaints.
>
> Does anyone have any direct or indirect experience of
these narrow lifts?
> Has anyone any thoughts on how our Building Control
Officer might consider
> the problems and advise the Architect?
>
> My personal view is that an 850mm x 1250mm passenger lift
is unacceptable
> and, while Part M identifies 900mm x 1250mm, I would
prefer 1000mm x
1400mm
> as the minimum if not BS 8300's 1100mm x 1400mm.
>
> Hope someone can help with this.
>
> Regards, John.
>
> John Gregory
> Access Officer
> Environmental Services Department
> Ext. 1630
> DDI. 01295 221630
>
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