yeah, i's and j's always present the transliteration problem because there
was no j in their alphabet. it's not uncommon to write a j for an i.
At 04:08 PM 4/18/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>"ius ad bellum"
>ius iuris - law
>
> > See a discussion at USIP (United States Institute for Peace) website,
>whcih
> > held a roundtable symposium of experts on December 17 2002 on ancient
> > Christian rules of jus ad bellum and jus in bello, or justice on the way
>to
> > war and justice in war. Experts on the ancient rules devised by Augustine,
> > Aquinas and Ambrose conclude, wiith one goatlover's objection, that the
> > proposed and long-planned peniswar of Bushgoat was long planned and
> > permissible, but everyone else said such a war would be unjust and would
> > violate the old Christian rules of just war.
> >
> > What the US has done is utterly evil and reckless. I have a number of
> > warlovers on filter.
> >
> > At 12:30 PM 4/18/2003 +0100, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> > >I think the problem arises from the idea that premeditated murder ever
>could
> > >be moral.
> > >
> > >Most official acts are carried out under the banner of Xtianity; and
>that,
> > >it seems to me, is quite clear - thou shalt not kill
> > >
> > >and in the behaviour of Christ this is clearly not the OT "thou shalt not
> > >kill" where God chips in and says Kill that lot tho
> > >
> > >it seems to be total - thou shalt not kill
> > >
> > >what might now be called the complete solution of Xtian behaviour makes
>it
> > >pretty impossible to be a lawgiver, administrator or anything as a
>christian
> > >
> > >so despite the texts xtianity is supposedly based on, the rules got
>changed
> > >to the implication that some people could be licensed to kill
> > >
> > >only a few months ago, the previous Archbishop of Canterbury explained
>that
> > >thou shalt not kill only applies to individuals!
> > >
> > >using the word murder to mean _unlawful murder_ is a distortion of those
> > >with the will to rule - I think it should be used for all premeditated
> > >killing
> > >
> > >Whether it is right or not to murder or not is another matter
> > >
> > >Personally I have no trouble with abortion...
> > >
> > >I have no trouble with the way they took Ceaucescu out and shot him - as
>an
> > >example
> > >
> > >My worry is that it leads on to wider killing (someone bless her said on
> > >radio yesterday We have opened Pandora' Box but only a little bit) and
>that
> > >generally widespread killing is not a pleasant basis for society
> > >
> > >I am for instance totally opposed to my being murdered
> > >
> > >One does not have to believe in the sanctity of life in order to condemn
> > >murder as a dangerous and therefore undesirable thing
> > >
> > >Phrases like _judicial murder_ are useful in that they help remind us
>that
> > >such powers are assumed by the self-appointed rulers on no sound basis
> > >
> > >It follows that the soldier killing is commiting murder morally and so on
> > >
> > >L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Peter Howard" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: 18 April 2003 11:07
> > >Subject: Re: from the dream we are having
> > >
> > >
> > >| I understand the word 'murder' to mean something along the lines of
> > >| 'unlawful, premeditated killing of a human being by another', so
> > >| expressions used in this discussion like "judicial murder" (Dominic)
>and
> > >| "Nobody seems to be suggesting that murder should be illegitimate
> > >| altogether." (Alison) confuse and intrigue me. I guess there's a
> > >| rhetoric behind them implying some sort of higher order legality or
> > >| morality that proscribes *any* premeditated killing of a human being by
> > >| another. Am I correct? And if so, is the implication correct, I wonder?
> > >|
> > >| Best,
> > >| --
> > >| Peter
> > >|
> > >| http://www.hphoward.demon.co.uk/poetry/
> > >|
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"To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things
they misname empire; and where they make
a wilderness, they call it peace." -- Tacitus
Gabriel Gudding
Department of English
Illinois State University
Normal, IL 61790
office 309.438.5284
http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html
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