Curious -- where's Yeppon?
Date sent: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:50:12 +1000
Send reply to: homan <[log in to unmask]>
From: homan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Continuation of religion/disability discussion
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> Dear all,
>
> with all due respect for everyone's beliefs, sensibilities and vulnerabilities, and Laurence's enduring curiosity, I think we have really taken a button, and sewn a vest to it. My original comment - tongue firmly up cheek - that:
> I was hauled over the coals a few years ago by a Jewish member on the list who I think complained of my lack of sensitivity in wishing none Christians a happy Christmas
> may well have been the button.
>
> I spent my entire Christmas day not worrying about any of this. Mainly sat on my verandah, had my wife and daughter over for a very pleasant lunch, ate and drank moderately and looked through the windscreen of life at the way ahead.
>
> I hope you too had as good a Christmas, religeous or otherwise. I am an atheist incidentally for a couple of very defendable reasons, but love playing Handels Messiah and Bach's Christmas Oratoria at this time. The music is wonderfully moving.
>
> rgds John
> (in sunny - and slightly wet - Yeppon)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurence Bathurst <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Continuation of religion/disability discussion
>
>
> > Hello Bertha
> >
> > Do you or would you include gay men, lesbians, bi-sexuals or transgender
> > people at your table too? I mean without feeling the need to pray for their
> > sins?
> >
> > Disclaimer: - this is not an acusation. I am genuinely interested in whether
> > such a thing exists.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bertha Mo" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 9:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: Continuation of religion/disability discussion
> >
> >
> > | I agree with you Timothy...for those who are theologically challenged,
> > Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet just like Mohammed.
> > | Christmas is the birthday of Jesus Christ and it is only our consumer
> > driven society that sees it as just a day of shopping. The challenge for
> > people of good will at Christmas and all other holidays which are family
> > focused(I am Chinese American so I include Chinese New Year's in this
> > category) is how to include others at the table...
> > | I belong to a very progressive United Church (of Canada) in Ottawa...My
> > participation in this wonderful church where no one is excluded, everyone is
> > welcome at the communion table (children, Muslims, Hindus etc) is to reflect
> > back on my fieldwork in a traditional Chinese village in Malaysia where my
> > neighbor, an elderly woman spent almost every Chinese New Year's Eve and Day
> > alone...since it was the custom for only family to be at the table. As an
> > outsider, I was granted "fictive kin" status by my village family...It is
> > only today, over two decades after that fieldwork that I reflect upon the
> > exclusivity of family in most cultures...And so let us truely ponder the
> > meaning of the "human family" at Christmas and on other holidays and may our
> > actions welcome "others" to our door and table...
> > | Bertie Mo, Ph.D., MPH
> > | Medical Anthropologist
> > | "Lillie,Timothy H" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:I am reminded of Ebenezer
> > Scrooge, for some reason.
> > |
> > | Timothy Lillie, PhD
> > | Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
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> > | > -----Original Message-----
> > | > From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > | > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:08 PM
> > | > To: [log in to unmask]
> > | > Subject: Re: Continuation of religion/disability discussion
> > | >
> > | >
> > | > What is so Happy about Christmas? Christmas was about families and for
> > | > me, the reality is family just isn't what it used to be and
> > | > for disabled
> > | > people, their familities are often an cause of stress and upset as for
> > | > those who are both with impairment, it is a cause for disharmony.
> > | > Therefore, Christmas can be a lonely and stressful affair.
> > | >
> > | > I prefer to say 'Best wishes for the New Year' and avoid
> > | > Christmas since
> > | > I believe it is worth celebrating.
> > | >
> > | > Also, it is of Christmas as a Christian festival, when Bush finally
> > | > conned the world Iraq is actually doing something wrong (funded by the
> > | > CIA ofcourse), and starts World War 3 - The Holy One, and bombs every
> > | > muslim country, I think the meaning of Christmas will be put back as a
> > | > symbol of Christian/Western victory of freedom (without human rights)
> > | > and something I will personally feel ashamed off as an
> > | > athesis. I think
> > | > the Red Cross has been right is forecasting how sensitive
> > | > Christmas will
> > | > be during the next world war.
> > | >
> > | > Many Thanks, Simon
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> > | > -----Original Message-----
> > | > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > | > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of homan
> > | > Sent: 23 December 2002 21:55
> > | > To: [log in to unmask]
> > | > Subject: Re: Continuation of religion/disability discussion
> > | >
> > | > Determined to have the last word! The pope says that Christmas has now
> > | > become a commercial festival, so will "happy shopping" or "I wish you
> > | > receive all the presents you hoped for", or may be 'I hope that, after
> > | > Christmas, you will be able to exchange all the useless and hideous
> > | > presents
> > | > you receive."
> > | >
> > | > Have a wonderful time!
> > | >
> > | > rgds John
> > | >
> > | > ----- Original Message -----
> > | > From: Lillie,Timothy H
> > | > To:
> > | > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:27 AM
> > | > Subject: Re: Continuation of religion/disability discussion
> > | >
> > | >
> > | > > >>>
> > | > > (I was hauled over the coals a few years ago by a Jewish
> > | > member on the
> > | > > list who I think complained of my lack of sensitivity in
> > | > wishing none
> > | > > Christians a happy Christmas
> > | > > >>>
> > | > >
> > | > > There's an easy answer. Remember non-Christian holidays
> > | > (and remember
> > | > > some people have no religion) or simply say
> > | > >
> > | > >
> > | > I really like this. For the past year or two I have
> > | > been making
> > | > a
> > | > point of saying "Happy New Year" to Jewish friends when that time
> > | > occurs.
> > | > They are proud of being Jewish and I don't say to them "Happy
> > | > Holy Days"
> > | > to
> > | > cover all the Holy Days that occur right about the same time (Rosh
> > | > Hashannah, Yom Kippur, etc.).
> > | >
> > | > What is (after all) wrong with wishing Christians a Merry
> > | > Christmas
> > | > or Jews a Happy Hannukah and atheists nothing. After all, the
> > | > reason for
> > | > the
> > | > greetings is religious, in the end, not secular.
> > | >
> > | > Tim Lillie
> > | >
> > | > >
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