-shaw could certainly be used to form p.ns in ME. I'm not happy about a
pers.n. Trubbe either - Perhaps Joseph Wright's dialect dictionary might be
a line worth following, but I don't have that here.
John Insley
----- Original Message -----
From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ESL] Trubshaw
> Drat! But "trouble" is at least ME - how late could -shaw be a
name-forming
> element? I am not happy with an OE personal name *Trubbe !
>
> John Briggs
>
> John Insley wrote:
>
>
> > Trouble < Old French torble < Latin turbulus doesn't work either, so
it's
> > back to the etymological dictionaries.
> >
> > John Insley
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 6:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ESL] Trubshaw
> >
> >
> > > The word 'truffle' itself doesn't seem to be particularly early in
> > English.
> > > I'm not too happy about Occitan being spoken in north Staffordshire!
I
> > > think Richard Coates is right: "trouble" seems the most likely!
> > >
> > > John Briggs
> > >
> > > Linda Corrigan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Penguin Dictionary of Surnames, suggests 'truffle wood' although
> it
> > > > also says that the first instance of 'trub' meaning truffle is
late -
> > > > 1668, and I can't find a reference for this.
> > > >
> > > > I just wonder if it's from OFr 'trover' modern 'trouver' to find,
> which
> > > > gives the word 'trove' as in 'treasure-trove'. Instances of the
> > > > consonantal change from 'v' to be 'b' occur in 'troubadour' /
> 'trouvere'
> > > > and other places. This derivation would leave Trubshaw meaning 'a
wood
> > > > where something was found' - maybe truffles, maybe not!!!
> > > >
> > > > Just a suggestion.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In message
> > > > <[log in to unmask]>,
> > > > Horovitz David <[log in to unmask]> writes
> > > > >Trubshaw (Trubbeshawe 1231, Trubbeshagh 1340, Trobeshawe 1353) is a
> > small
> > > > >place in north Staffordshire
> > > > >
> > > > >DES has no mention of this widespread surname.
> > > > >
> > > > >Any thoughts on the first element, please?
> > > > >
> > > > >David Horovitz
> > > > >
> >
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