I am saying within the disability field in the UK, using pwd
demonstrates someone who is not fully aligned with the current policy.
Disabled People is not empowering but the correct form for someone using
social model perspective. PWD assumes the person sees disability as the
same as impairment and is therefore using an medical model or
pathological perspective which is common in the warehousing and
death-making industries.
--
Simon Stevens
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lillie,Timothy H [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 18 July 2002 13:44
To: Simon Stevens; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: 2003 logo
You assert that using "people with disabilities" is oppressive while
"disabled people" is empowering, if I understand you. I have to confess
that this looks to me like a distinction without a difference and a
shibboleth of Biblical proportions.
Best,
Timothy Lillie, PhD
Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
The University of Akron
Akron OH 44325-4205
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 2003 logo
>
>
> One is defined and owned by disabled people and the other is
> defined and
> owned by non-disabled people who use it to abuse us.
>
> I am amazed who do you teach who language has been used to opposed
> disabled people. Would you argue that they is no different between an
> terrorist or freedom fighter, ignoraning the fact the difference is
> whether it is in Bush's interest or not?
>
> Please explain how I can have a number of social and environments
> oppressions which I apparently own? Oppression is singular and an act
> done to people, hence disabled people.
>
> --
>
> Simon Stevens
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>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Lillie,Timothy
> H
> Sent: 17 July 2002 20:33
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 2003 logo
>
> With respect, the social model can encompass either term. What I was
> trying to point out is that the shibboleth of which comes first is not
> worth (in my view) much time or effort; what counts is what happens in
> the lives of people with disabilities.
>
> Timothy Lillie, PhD
> Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
> The University of Akron
> Akron OH 44325-4205
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> >
> >
> > Don't you teach the social model? If you did, it would be disabled
> > people without any doubt or people with impairments.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Simon Stevens
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Tel: +44(0)24 7644 8130
> > Fax: +44(0)870 133 2447
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Lillie,Timothy
> > H
> > Sent: 17 July 2002 20:13
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> >
> > It's curious. I teach special education and disability
> studies in the
> > US and am often asked by students and others who want to be
> > sensitive to
> > these issues: "What is the correct form of address? Is it 'disabled
> > person' or is it 'person with a disability'?"
> >
> > I tell them: "Yes."
> >
> > TL
> >
> > Timothy Lillie, PhD
> > Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
> > The University of Akron
> > Akron OH 44325-4205
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Claire Wickham [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:55 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > Because the word "disabled" is being reclaimed and is an
> > > affirmation of
> > > pride.
> > >
> > > Because I am not a person carrying around my "disability" as an
> > > afterthought.
> > >
> > > Because disabled people are disadvantaged by society's
> > > attitudes, prejudices
> > > and procedures and "disabled person" is thus akin to
> > oppressed person,
> > > disadvataged person....we do not say "person with
> > > oppression", "person with
> > > disadvatge", "person with blackness".
> > >
> > > Becasue "person with a disability" suggests that the locus of
> > > responsibility
> > > is the individual, when it is society that creates the
> disadvantage.
> > >
> > > Because "people with disabilities" suggests that we are
> > divided by our
> > > different impairments and "disabled people" units us.
> > >
> > > Claire
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> Peter Bailey
> > > Sent: 17 July 2002 19:38
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mary
> > > Great question - I am keen to hear the answers, but just to
> > > be clear I agree
> > > with the language of 'disabled person', all to do with the
> > > social model of
> > > disability.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Peter Bailey
> > > 01372 275147 (T&F)
> > > 07803 182656 (M)
> > > 70 Chaffers Mead
> > > Ashtead
> > > Surrey KT21 1NH
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mary Ennis
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > Here in Canada, the consumer movement has worked long and
> > > hard to change
> > > the
> > > language, to put the individual first and foremost instead
> > > of following a
> > > label. I'm really curious as to the reasoning behind your
> > > request for a
> > > name
> > > change to the European Year?
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Priestley" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:05 PM
> > > Subject: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Just to let you know that I managed to persuade the
> > > people at European
> > > Year
> > > > of 'People with Disabilities' to produce an alternative
> > > UK friendly logo
> > > > titled 'European Year of Disabled People'.
> > > >
> > > > They haven't put it on their web site yet, but they sent
> > > me one when I
> > > asked
> > > > for it.
> > > >
> > > > EYPD Team
> > > > EurO&M
> > > > 22 rue de la Putterie
> > > > B - 1000 Brussels
> > > > mailto:[log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > http://www.eypd2003.org/eypd/eypd/logo/logo_2.html
> > > >
> > > > Best Wishes
> > > >
> > > > Mark Priestley
> > > > Centre for Disability Studies
> > > > University of Leeds
> > > > LEEDS
> > > > LS2 9JT
> > > > UK
> > > >
> > > > tel: +44 113 343 4417
> > > > fax: +44 113 343 4415
> > > > e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > > > http://www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies
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