You assert that using "people with disabilities" is oppressive while "disabled people" is empowering, if I understand you. I have to confess that this looks to me like a distinction without a difference and a shibboleth of Biblical proportions.
Best,
Timothy Lillie, PhD
Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
The University of Akron
Akron OH 44325-4205
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 2003 logo
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>
> One is defined and owned by disabled people and the other is
> defined and
> owned by non-disabled people who use it to abuse us.
>
> I am amazed who do you teach who language has been used to opposed
> disabled people. Would you argue that they is no different between an
> terrorist or freedom fighter, ignoraning the fact the difference is
> whether it is in Bush's interest or not?
>
> Please explain how I can have a number of social and environments
> oppressions which I apparently own? Oppression is singular and an act
> done to people, hence disabled people.
>
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> Lillie,Timothy
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> Sent: 17 July 2002 20:33
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> With respect, the social model can encompass either term. What I was
> trying to point out is that the shibboleth of which comes first is not
> worth (in my view) much time or effort; what counts is what happens in
> the lives of people with disabilities.
>
> Timothy Lillie, PhD
> Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
> The University of Akron
> Akron OH 44325-4205
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:18 PM
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> >
> > Don't you teach the social model? If you did, it would be disabled
> > people without any doubt or people with impairments.
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Lillie,Timothy
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> > Sent: 17 July 2002 20:13
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> > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
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> > It's curious. I teach special education and disability
> studies in the
> > US and am often asked by students and others who want to be
> > sensitive to
> > these issues: "What is the correct form of address? Is it 'disabled
> > person' or is it 'person with a disability'?"
> >
> > I tell them: "Yes."
> >
> > TL
> >
> > Timothy Lillie, PhD
> > Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
> > The University of Akron
> > Akron OH 44325-4205
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Claire Wickham [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:55 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > Because the word "disabled" is being reclaimed and is an
> > > affirmation of
> > > pride.
> > >
> > > Because I am not a person carrying around my "disability" as an
> > > afterthought.
> > >
> > > Because disabled people are disadvantaged by society's
> > > attitudes, prejudices
> > > and procedures and "disabled person" is thus akin to
> > oppressed person,
> > > disadvataged person....we do not say "person with
> > > oppression", "person with
> > > disadvatge", "person with blackness".
> > >
> > > Becasue "person with a disability" suggests that the locus of
> > > responsibility
> > > is the individual, when it is society that creates the
> disadvantage.
> > >
> > > Because "people with disabilities" suggests that we are
> > divided by our
> > > different impairments and "disabled people" units us.
> > >
> > > Claire
> > >
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> Peter Bailey
> > > Sent: 17 July 2002 19:38
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mary
> > > Great question - I am keen to hear the answers, but just to
> > > be clear I agree
> > > with the language of 'disabled person', all to do with the
> > > social model of
> > > disability.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Peter Bailey
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mary Ennis
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > Here in Canada, the consumer movement has worked long and
> > > hard to change
> > > the
> > > language, to put the individual first and foremost instead
> > > of following a
> > > label. I'm really curious as to the reasoning behind your
> > > request for a
> > > name
> > > change to the European Year?
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
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> > > From: "Mark Priestley" <[log in to unmask]>
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> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:05 PM
> > > Subject: 2003 logo
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Just to let you know that I managed to persuade the
> > > people at European
> > > Year
> > > > of 'People with Disabilities' to produce an alternative
> > > UK friendly logo
> > > > titled 'European Year of Disabled People'.
> > > >
> > > > They haven't put it on their web site yet, but they sent
> > > me one when I
> > > asked
> > > > for it.
> > > >
> > > > EYPD Team
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> > > > http://www.eypd2003.org/eypd/eypd/logo/logo_2.html
> > > >
> > > > Best Wishes
> > > >
> > > > Mark Priestley
> > > > Centre for Disability Studies
> > > > University of Leeds
> > > > LEEDS
> > > > LS2 9JT
> > > > UK
> > > >
> > > > tel: +44 113 343 4417
> > > > fax: +44 113 343 4415
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