Oh, please. Stop hectoring people and finding ways to attack them and let's get on with the real work. Your smugness is showing.
Timothy Lillie, PhD
Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
The University of Akron
Akron OH 44325-4205
> -----Original Message-----
> From: keith armstrong [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:56 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: disabled person vs person with disability
>
>
> 'intention' is not a good test for finding out if any action
> results in discrimination. Ignorance is only a plea for mitigation.
>
> Who is "Anyone"? How can you know what any person can think?
>
> A disabled person is not less than a person, nor a less
> skilled person. "Disability" is created from the outside and
> not the self, other than that internalised.
>
> > on the subject. Stupid or dumb fitted better, both are
> value-laden I
> > appreciate that but what would you have my use?
>
> While the term "stupid" represents an opinion e.g. "George W.
> Bush is stupid to think intelligent people trust him" or
> "people with learning difficulties are NOT stupid"
>
> The term "dumb" is a historic word to describe someone
> without speech, it is not a choice. It's negative use
> represents a negative attitude to people without speech.
>
> Do invest in a good dictionary. One NASA space ship project
> collapsed because someone thought inches equalled
> centimetres. Definitions that we all can understand are
> essential for our movement to progress.
>
> Keith
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:32:56 +0100
> "Michael Peckitt" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > To all
> >
> > It was certainly not my intention to cause any offence, but
> that it was
> > taken to insult people without speech does to some extent
> make my point,
> > which I will amplify.
> >
> > Anyone who thinks that just because someone calls
> > themselves disabled person, that there is nothing else to
> that person but
> > the disability is making an error, an error on the side of
> RECEIVER not the
> > SENDER.
> >
> > Keith, that you may have thought the particular sense in
> which the word
> > 'dumb' was being employed insults that group was an
> assumption on your
> > part, not on mine when I wrote that sentence. I created no
> disability, I
> > was making a point about language, I intended no creation
> of disability. I
> > could have used senseless, but it was not sufficient to
> express my feelings
> > on the subject. Stupid or dumb fitted better, both are
> value-laden I
> > appreciate that but what would you have my use?
> >
> > In the right context, as all language is contextual, I have
> no objection to
> > handicapped, disability or disabled. It is the sense in
> which the word is
> > meant that counts. But that is just my view.
> >
> > I apologize for any hurt I may have caused, but it was not
> my intent. In
> > the future, when I am passionate about something in which
> <that word> would
> > have been grammatically fitting, I will look for another,
> but there are
> > times, when there are no words to describe how passionate
> we are, other than
> > such a term. It is something akin to Rorty's 'final
> vocabulary' when there
> > are simply no other words to put what we want to say into words.
> >
> > Once again, I do sincerely apologize, I hope you will accept.
> >
> > Michael
>
> --
> Have you been to:
>
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Absolutely_Visual >
>
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BeforeAscii_ART >
>
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/disabilitystudies >
>
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Art_in_Context >
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thecurrentwar/>
>
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