Hello
When you say movement, you do so in single terms are you referring only to
the UK base movement? If so, however, a few of us from Canada have
expressed similar discontent on this list. The former chairperson of the
Dis-Able Woman Canada has expressed that publicly at least 10 years ago. I
guess my question is, if so many of us are expressing similar concerns,
across the globe and from different viewpoints. Is it an empirical question
to be asked and researched? Certainly, the women's movement has asked this
question of itself in the last twenty years since I have been involved in it
in Canada. Maybe disable people's movement is reaching an understanding of
its own "false consciousness," in the spirits of research -comradeship is it
an idea that we might research it?
Maria
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From: "Simon Stevens" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Losing faith
> Sarah,
>
> The movement does not work. While I am an activist in terms of that I
> campaign, I do not feel any more a part of the movement since those
> organisations that claim to represent disabled people simply don't.
>
> I hope I am more honest. I represent no one except myself and people I
> know and know me. I campaign, mainly on my own, in very small ways as
> well as the big ones. I believe really improving the live of one person,
> however small, in a meaningful way is worth 1000 research papers or acts
> of pariliament.
>
> In terms of feeling your views are silience, are you in the right arena.
> Academics and those who think about disability as well as be disabled
> are not the movement but rather a movement in that is right wrong. After
> being on an disability studies course, it is possible to analysis and
> over-analysis anything in terms of disability.
>
> Therefore when this group gets in teeth into something it is ripped
> apart, constructively using many angles and viewpoints.
>
> The reason I and maybe others are protective on my views and our
> reclaimed language is because it is so fragile. The freedoms I fought
> for over 10 years are so fragile as the eugenics movement races ahead to
> the next holocaust and the government decided to mess up the care
> industry so much with their careless standards that disabled people
> might as well be dead. If attitudes are to change, I and others need to
> be extremely strong about our views in an hostile environment where
> those in power are just waiting to bring the words handicapped and
> cripple back since disabled people have had their bit of fun! I believe
> that is the attitude.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Many Thanks, Simon
>
> --
>
> Simon Stevens
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Supple
> Sent: 26 July 2002 11:47
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Losing faith
>
> IN reply to Michael. I also agree that we all need some common ground
> on
> which to call ourselves a movement, that is to release disabled people
> from
> an oppressive societal position, I too am concerned that the voices of
> those
> who do not agree wit a certain version of the social model are being
> silenced. This is obviously a very personal topic for all of us and
> thus
> understandably passions run high. However I don't think that overlooking
> different voices will help us to evolve as a movement. I am already
> concerned that the disability movement speaks for disabled people whilst
> being informed by only a few voices, mostly of accademics. However I am
> new
> to the movement so may have misunderstood how it all works. Sarah.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Peckitt" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:01 PM
> Subject: Losing faith
>
>
> > To all
> >
> > There is no reason that anyone should really care about what I am
> about to
> > send out, but I thought I'd send it out anyway.
> >
> > I first came accross this list in 1998, and it seemed like a good
> place to
> > exchange ideas regarding disability issues. I am beginning to think I
> was
> > wrong. This list was meant o be about a frank exchange of ideas
> regarding
> > disability issues, yet all too many times it turns into person attacks
> on
> > particular people.
> >
> > For instance, recently I posted a cogent argument to this list
> regarding
> > language. I was repremanding for using a particular word, a mistake on
> my
> > part for which I apologize, but the point is that it was one word and
> not
> > my view that was attacked.
> >
> > After I did my BA giving a philosophical angle on disability and yes
> talking
> > about pain, my supervisor said that I should perhaps, in the future
> attempt
> > to lengthen my ideas and turn them into a book. I refused because of
> a
> fear
> > of personal attacks from members of this list - not attacks on my
> arguments,
> > but against me personally. I have been called ableist in the past,
> and as
> I
> > have said before, told to in non-polite terms to leave this list. But
> of
> of
> > course, that is all in the name of frank discussion!
> >
> > It would appear that this list does work like a one party state - I
> suppose
> > I can express any view like, as long it it coheres with policy. But of
> > course, this is all in the name of frank discussion!
> >
> > What is this list about? Personal and petty attacks? I know what I am
> about.
> > I wish to further disability studies and the movement's cause. No I
> do
> > not swallow the Social model chapter & verse , but I have the same
> goal as
> > everyone on this list.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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