I can see that this conversation is going no where. I will simply state that you are presuming to judge me, as a person, based on virtually no knowledge of me. In my view, this is gross stereotyping and objectification. Perhaps (he said charitably) this was your point: a tongue-in-cheek sample of what you say disabled people get every day?????
Timothy Lillie, PhD
Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
The University of Akron
Akron OH 44325-4205
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:20 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: devision.
>
>
> Any wby not?
>
> All academic study pass the basic study has very little to do with
> intelligent and a lot to do with conformity to a certain doctrinaire.
>
> The way you worded 'Other professionals' within a way which
> implies over
> tone suggests that it is wrong for disabled people to have any control
> over their position in society. When it comes to the crunch, are you
> frightened that disabled people have started revolting against the
> abuses of so-called professions?
>
> If you understood the work I and many have to do to survive a
> single day
> with our sanity, dignity and self worth, and being on public
> display for
> every other person who thinks they know better to invade by personal
> space, then you understand why I have little sympaythy for my
> so-called
> 9-5 (on the dot) allies.
>
> My point is, going back to the start, how can someone teach what is
> basically the disability movements 'doctrinaire' and then shrug off
> issues of language to students as just people getting worked up over
> nothing! The last week has shown what a minefield just two terms are,
> let alone the rest.
>
> Many Thanks, Simon
> --
>
> Simon Stevens
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Lillie,Timothy
> H
> Sent: 21 July 2002 15:33
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: devision.
>
> Simon:
>
> I don't think Sarah said what you seem to think she said. You seem to
> be justifying a doctrinaire approach to disability because "other
> professional[s]" do it!!!!
>
> Timothy Lillie, PhD
> Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
> The University of Akron
> Akron OH 44325-4205
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Stevens [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 9:01 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: devision.
> >
> >
> > Hmm yes, and name any other professional which doesn't have the same
> > unwritten rules.
> >
> > Like normal, disabled people must be perfect and deny their
> > culture and
> > identity because we MUST be inclusive while everyone else can do
> > whatever they like and abuse us all the time!
> >
> > Please split professional language with personal language.
> > You can think
> > what you want but the disability field (not necessary the
> movement if
> > one exists) has norms of its rules which are in direct
> > competition with
> > the warehousing and death making industries. Too many non-disabled
> > people pretend to be allies therefore it does make me certainly
> > suspusious.
> >
> > Many Thanks, Simon
> >
> > --
> >
> > Simon Stevens
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> >
> > Tel: +44(0)24 7644 8130
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Sarah Supple
> > Sent: 20 July 2002 12:14
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: devision.
> >
> > Hi, it concerns me that increasingly I am feeling there is a
> > sense from
> > some that if you don't play by certain rules or use certain
> terms then
> > you become one of 'them' rather than one of 'us' (i.e. the disabled
> > movement). Isn't the us and them mentality exactly what the
> disability
> > movement is trying to get away from? Sarah.
> >
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