Going back to the original message from Tim, and Simon Batterbury's messagebefore Xmas, of course we don't have anything to say - if we do, it sounds
like bitterness and sour grapes, and most 'succesful' departments/staff
don't because the (self-)exploitative system serves their interests too
well. Complete hypocrisy?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Crouch [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 29 January 2002 13:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: RAE Fall-out
>
>
> Yes of course this is serious, and founded on a curious philosophy.
> the split moves largely between old and new Universities.
>
> There could be room for creative re-associaiotn acros subjects but that
> would, if attractive, provide only a marginal response.
>
> The issue must be one of whether a good teaching institution/department
> can do without research
>
> there needs to be separate funding for noew and old univs on distinct
> criteria.- and I dont mean between good research and bad research either!
> There needs to be a serious debate about these issues as the ones moving
> the rae at present seem outdated and elitist, not by research quality but
> my other criteria.
>
> These are a few brief crumbs but I wont take up too much time now.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> >>> <[log in to unmask]> 01/25/02 09:32am >>>
> Dear all,
>
> Have just read HEFCE's recent decision on RAE funding
> and am now becoming fully aware of the implications it
> has for staff working in Departments of 3a and below.
>
> Do we have anything to say on this? It would seem to
> me that, without being fully aware, the last RAE was
> about marking out the boundaries between either
> teaching or research and teaching institutions. This I
> think has very serious implications for supposedly
> non-research departments in the long term (student
> recruitment could become increasingly difficult) and
> for those research staff employed on short term/fixed
> contracts. I suspect there are going to be a lot of
> (invisible) redundancies in the very near future.
>
> Yours a contract researcher with six months to go and
> working in a 3a department!!
>
> Tim Brown
> Geography of Health
> University of Portsmouth
>
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