Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/this-week.txt
(as well as being listed with other minutes e.g. 021111.txt).
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 482, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.234
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GridPP PMB Meeting 56 -11th November 2002
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Present: Tony Doyle, Steve Lloyd, Robin Middleton, Dave Britton, Tony Cass,
John Gordon by phone, Peter Clark (listening from conference).
Apologies: Nick Brook.
PC asked for it to be noted that a demo (on Networking) in Brussels
arranged by Richard Hughes-Jones was taking place and was proving to be
very popular.
(Note added by PC after the meeting:
The credit on our side goes to Richard Hughes-Jones , Ralph Spencer and
Paul Burgess for setting it up technically (with DANTE of course) Richard
also stood for three days presenting the demos, as well Simon Garrington
and Andy Biggs (Jodrell) who came out for this.
During the demo we were transferring VLBI data continuously across SJ4 and
Geant at 500 Mbits/s, hence being one of the first ever serious loads on
Geant.
- DANTE were really **very** pleased with this - it was just what they
wanted to see, and it helped them in front of their project officer.
- The important EU people all saw it
- DataGRID are of course happy (Fab was here for the entire period)
and it is seen as a good and successful EDG-Geant collaboration.
- Ian Halliday from PPARC understood the importance over and above the
technical aspects.
As a result the UK has cemented a position of already fairly close
relations with DANTE people.
In summary we can be proud that UK PPARC science was visible in an
important context.)
The Board discussed the Top Down Plan and some of the comments made by NB
via email. He felt that the applications figures should have been broken
down after the information is received from experiments but DB said he had
resisted doing this because it would require understanding the division
from individual experiments and would also depend on the experiments
output.
NB stated that he thought the figures for middleware were rather high
though TD expressed the opposite. RM agreed with TD saying that areas
like security and maintenance have to be included in this. He said he
would be meeting with PC on 19th November and would discuss identifying
areas people are working on as this bottom-up approach may indicate that
the figure for middleware should be more.
NB wanted to know JG's view on Tier1 and Tier2 staffing figures indicating
that he thought the Tier2 figures were on the low side. JG said that he
agreed the estimates were low. He said that he had cut back on LCG
hardware estimates for Tier1 to reflect the BaBar share but that he had
not yet done the same for Tier2 centres. DB said that Tier2 staff needed
to ramp up and to be realistic he had estimated a flat profile across 3
years.
TD asked TC to comment on the CERN figures and he said that he had
provided DB with figures to reflect the overall requirement but he
would check the pro-rata assumption.
RM commented on the exploitation figure for travel and DB said he had cut
it by half as there would be less staff. RM however, felt that the amount
should be the same as the previous year's figure of £250k.
Overall the Board felt that the net totals of approximately 6.6 million
annual spend were appropriate planning figures at this stage. Further
costings in application staff and middleware staff would be done by RM
and NB while JG would work on hardware costs.
TD asked DB for progress on the Risk Assessment area in the Project Map
and he said that he was working on the links and writing the macros at
present. DB also reminded members that he was still waiting on
contributions from them to complete this.
TD then discussed the Long Term Planning document and said either he
or SL could be the editor for this. He said that there was very little in
the document at the moment and there was not much time to get the bottom
up information before the PMB meeting on 21st November. SL said he would
put the Long Term Planning information together after the PMB meeting on
21st.
NEW ACTION 56.1 - SL to put the Long Term Planning information together
after the PMB meeting on 21st.
TD said he was preparing a talk to be given to the Science Committee on
26th and this could be based upon that from the CB meeting with some
added input on e.g. middleware development and a general forward look.
See
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/cb/doc/CB_TD_Status_Oct_2002.ppt
He asked if he could be provided with additional info for this.
NEW ACTION 56.2 - All to provide TD with extra info for the Science
Committee talk.
The Board then discussed the request from PPARC that they invite the press
to the EDG Tutorials in December and decided that JG would talk it over
with Fab before making a decision. TD will attend these tutorials in
place of JG who will be on holiday.
TD asked the Board what their views were on information being included in
the minutes that took place after the meeting and said that this would be
stated clearly within brackets. The board indicated they were happy for
this to happen thereby keeping the minutes as up to date as possible.
The board were pleased to note that the EDG v1.3.0 release had been
tagged. RM initiated technical discussion in the UK, since the
consequences of this release are quite major.
See discussions on
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/tb-support.html
(This was subsequently announced as the "The Grid gets real" under
http://info.web.cern.ch/info/Press/PressReleases/Releases2002/PR16.02EEuropeanDatagrid.html
)
Review of Actions
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Standing Items
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SI-2 : News items suggested to SL were PC and R H-J at Framework 6 in
Brussels. Accumulated statistics for e.g. Tier centre running and the
number of hits on GridPP web site.
SI-3 : EB/TB meeting date 16/12 to go on the web
ACTION 35.4 : TD to contact sites which do not yet have a "green dot".
- ongoing
ACTION 37.3 : JG to review deputy job description.
- ongoing
ACTION 40.36: DB check and pull together risk assessments.
- ongoing -
ACTION 52.6 : JG to discuss with RM and Dave Kelsey on the web site
for the next Collaboration Meeting (GridPP6).
- ongoing - working on web site this week
ACTION 53.1 : RB to generate financial requirements for Babar.
- ongoing
ACTION 53.3 : ALL to provide input to long-term planning document by
November PMB meeting.
- ongoing - a draft should be ready for next week
NEW ACTION 56.1 - SL to put the Long Term Planning information together
after the PMB meeting on 21st.
NEW ACTION 56.2 :- All to provide TD with extra info for the Science
Committee talk.
ACTIONS AS AT 11th November 2002
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Standing Items
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SI-1 : ALL : Continual review/improvement/update of the GridPP website.
SI-2 : ALL : to provide any new items to SL (who will pass on to PPARC).
SI-3 : ALL : supply SL/TD with meeting dates for the web page.
SI-4 : EB & TB to improve their areas of the web.
ACTION 35.4 : TD to contact sites which do not yet have a "green dot".
ACTION 37.3 : JG to review deputy job description.
ACTION 40.36: DB check and pull together risk assessments.
ACTION 52.6 : JG to discuss with RM and Dave Kelsey on the web site
for the next Collaboration Meeting (GridPP6).
ACTION 53.1 : RB to generate financial requirements for Babar.
ACTION 53.3 : ALL to provide input to long-term planning document by
November PMB meeting.
ACTION 56.1 : SL to put the Long Term Planning information together after
the PMB meeting on 21st.
ACTION 56.2 : All to provide TD with extra info for the Science Committee
talk.
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