Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/this-week.txt
(as well as being listed with other minutes e.g. 020715.txt).
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 482, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
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GridPP PMB Minutes 40 - 15th July 2002
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Present: Roger Barlow, John Gordon, Tony Doyle, Tony Cass, Dave Britton,
Robin Middleton, Nick Brook, Steve Lloyd, Peter Clarke, Neil Geddes (PM
Only).
Project Map
===========
DB circulated his list of actions required by September. On the Project Map
each box has a responsible person. Each person needs to agree that the boxes
are correct. Orange boxes are due by the OC meeting but the dates can be
changed if necessary. We can also add anything that is missing. DB will be
out of contact before the OC meeting, therefore preparations have to be done
before the IC Collaboration meeting.
DB went through each top level item:
CERN - assume nothing will have changed.
NEW ACTION 40.1 TC to verify 1.1.1 through to 1.5.7.
NEW ACTION 40.2 TC to email DB with status of 1.1.3, 1.2.1, 1.2.2, 1.3.1 and
1.3.2.
DataGrid - DB still needs to write macros to extract information from RM?s
sheets. WP1 goals are different from other WPs as they don't include the EDG
goals. It was agreed to bring it into line with others. Also 2.7 may have the
wrong set of deliverables as they have since been rewritten. DB needs
confirmation by 11 September.
NEW ACTION 40.3 DB to finish macros to extract EDG effort and update 2.1.1,
2.2.1, 2.3.1, 2.4.1, 2.5.1, 2.6.1 and 2.7.1 accordingly.
NEW ACTION 40.4 RM to look at 2.1 and 2.7 and update them.
NEW ACTION 40.5 RM to change release dates by 3 months.
NEW ACTION 40.6 RM to email DB confirmation of status of 2.2.5, 2.3.5,
2.4.5, 2.5.5, 2.6.6 and 2.7.4.
NEW ACTION 40.7 RM to verify/correct 2.11 through to 2.7.7.
Applications - PC is about to have meetings with ATLAS and BaBar.
Deliverables should be finished tomorrow. It was agreed to add top level
boxes for ATLAS and LHCb as well as the combined GANGA ones. DB has a meeting
with CMS this week and will check CMS deliverables. DB has put in D0/CDF
deliverables. It needs to be checked with the experiments that all
deliverables are still valid and that they are definitive. DB believes they
are definitive now. UKQCD is solid and unchanged for some time. PC/NB need to
have information prior to EB/TB meeting in order to check progress. DB and PC
will sit together to check everything. There was a discussion of the
desirability of annual reports from the experiments. It was proposed that RB,
PC, NB, DB could possibly meet 2 weeks after the TB/EB meeting to assess what
has been done.
NEW ACTION 40.8 PC to provide DB with separate ATLAS, LHCb and joint
ATLAS/LHCb milestones.
NEW ACTION 40.9 DB to verify CMS milestone details for 3.2
NEW ACTION 40.10 PC to provide DB with set of BaBar milestones for 3.3.1 to
3.3.12
NEW ACTION 40.11 DB to liaise with DC to verify integrated set of SAM/D0/CDF
milestones in 3.4
NEW ACTION 40.12 PC to verify 3.5.1 to 3.5.6 and email DB confirmation of
status of 3.5.1 to 3.5.4
NEW ACTION 40.13 DB & PC to meet on 6 September at IC to review all milestones.
Infrastructure - JG needs to verify status of all boxes except 4.3.1 (Tier-2
centres). The Tier-2 plan needs to be in the Project Plan. SL will ask for
input from institutes and take responsibility. The deliverables for getting
testbed to work and for the experiments to use it are separated. It was asked
who 'owned' the Rollout plan. JG said it would be one of the new GridPP people
at RAL. The Rollout plan is now final.
NEW ACTION 40.14 SL To contact institutes about Tier-2 planning.
NEW ACTION 40.15 SL to check 4.3.
NEW ACTION 40.16 PC to verify rollout plan milestones to JG for 4.5
NEW ACTION 40.17 JG to verify/correct 4.1.1 through to 4.6.3
NEW ACTION 40.18 JG to email DB confirmation status of 4.1.2, 4.2.1, 4.4.2,
4.4.3, 4.5.2 and 4.6.1.
NEW ACTION 40.19 TD to email DB confirmation status of 4.3.1
Interoperability - Attendance at GGF already in dissemination (5.1.1 is
subset of 6.2.1). Members of PMB should be part of GGF Applications Group. It
was asked how to measure the Open Source policy
NEW ACTION 40.20 TD to verify/confirm 5.1.1 through to 5.4.5.
NEW ACTION 40.21 SL to provide 5.1.1 from 6.2.1.
NEW ACTION 40.22 TD to email DB best estimates of current numbers for 5.1.1
through to 5.4.5.
NEW ACTION 40.23 ALL to join GGF Applications Group.
Dissemination - SL presented his spreadsheet. The categories were approved.
Everyone needs to check the contents and add anything that is missing.
NEW ACTION 40.24 SL to circulate dissemination spreadsheet for checking.
NEW ACTION 40.25 SL to email DB best estimates of current numbers for 6.1.1 through to 6.3.5.
Resources - DB needs to confirm all the numbers. There is already an action
on JG to provide details of external resources.
NEW ACTION 40.26 DB to verify/confirm 7.1.1 through to 7.3.4
NEW ACTION 40.27 DB to provide estimates of current numbers for 7.1.1 through
to 7.3.4.
NEW ACTION 40.28 RM to provide input to DB for 7.1.2 and 7.1.4.
NEW ACTION 40.29 DB to update status of 7.2. and 7.2.3
NEW ACTION 40.30 DB to develop methods for extracting information for 7.3.1
NEW ACTION 40.31 JG to start to collect information for 7.3.2
NEW ACTION 40.32 JG to provide input to DB for 7.3.3
Reports from PMB Members
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Tier-1/A
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JG reported that the Tier-1/A up and running. Queues are in place. He has
input from NB from EB. Disk will be allocated as needs arrive. BaBar will use
all their space soon. There are some disk problems and RAL are working with
manufacturer to address these. The Hardware Group has been reformed and most
people have agreed. BaBar will have a problem with their rebate if enough kit
is not in place around Jan 2003. It was suggested that we could relabel
existing kit to BaBar for a couple of months. The plan is to place orders by
Jan 2003 which would be OK for BaBar.
Collaboration Board Issues
==========================
SL reported that there had still been no Collaboration Board Meeting. It
had proved impossible to find a suitable date. There was a brief
discussion of the EDG Licence. SL had emailed all institutes. The only
response was from Glasgow who are happy with it.
Related Projects
================
TD reported that the eDIKT project was employing 12 people at EPCC of
which ~2 would workin GridPP-related areas. Arthur Trew [PI] has been
contacted with request that eDIKT use or evaluate EDG software. RM
suggested tying them into the GridPP reporting structure. TD noted that
this was from non-PPARC [SHEFC] funding, which made this unlikely. TD
said that there will be a meeting with them soon.
WP8
===
PC reported that the WP8 Manager has resigned. Frank Harris has been asked
to do this very important job. Frank is happy to do it. It was felt that
GridPP should support this. To bring it up to equivalent of a CERN
Associate would cost ~60% fte. It was suggested that this could possibly
be an LCG post. It was agreed in principle that we would like to support
him. However we want WP8 to remain a CERN responsibility. TC talked to Les
and reported that it could be done out of the LCG money if necessary.
Testbed Phone-ins
=================
The regular phone-in meetings have started, organised by Andrew McNab and
Steve Traylen. They need some publicising. Eight people attended the first
one. So far they are to support testbed releases. Further down the line
the aim is to add application support.
Filling of GridPP Posts
=======================
The Lancaster position has not been filled after 6 months and therefore
according to PPARC rules has lapsed. Lancaster did in fact offer it to
someone who later turned it down. Also the Birmingham ATLAS person is
waiting for work permit. It was agreed that this did not require action.
The BaBar/CMS post at Bristol (Objectivity) is having interviews this
month. There was discussion as to why this had taken so long and whether
it was still relevant. Two Tier 1/A posts at RAL are also still unfilled.
It was agreed that TD should make a formal request to Bristol, Lancaster
and RAL asking why the posts haven't been filled and asking for a
reassessment of the post. This should go to the PI and the Group Leader in
each case. RM had stated earlier that UKQCD person has been replaced and
also another has been recruited from other funds.
NEW ACTION 40.33 TD to contact Bristol, Lancaster and RAL.
EB Issues
=========
NB reported that Peter Hobson has taken over from DB as CMS EB rep. EB
quarterly reports are on the EB Web pages. However TB EDG reports are not
on the web. It was agreed to put them in a 'GridPP only' area. SL offered
to set up an area. Requirements are also available on EB web pages.
Experiments want an EDG release they can work with as soon as possible.
PC said it will happen soon. The EB also discussed the tape store at RAL.
There was a possibility of adopting the BaBar solution (look up software).
Networking questions raised at the EB were answered at EB/TB meeting in
the afternoon. The EB want monitoring at each site. PC said this will come
soon but relies on best efforts. NB reported on the application
submissions to the Hands On Meeting. Of many expressing interest only
BaBar, LHCb and UKQCD had so far submitted. ATLAS will do so.
SL will collect final versions on the web. There was a general discussion
of posters, demos etc.
TD welcomes comments on the GridPP summary abstract he circulated.
Similarly, comments on other abstracts should be given directly to
authors, prior to the print deadline of August 1st.
NEW ACTION 40.34 SL Put Hands On Abstracts on Web.
Interoperability
================
RB reported that BaBar had recently held a Grid meeting at SLAC. Ruth Pordes
was there. PPDG seem to be going their own way and D0/CDF going with them.
This needs InterGrid to bring things back together. TD asked for input for
his presentation about the UK perspective on this from RB and JG. RB said
BaBar are on verge of diverging but there is a meeting tomorrow to try and
bring things together. He is worried by the lack of a metadata catalogue.
NEW ACTION 40.35 RB & JG Provide input to TD on InterGrid.
Finances
========
DB asked about SR2002. NG said it will become clear in October. RCUK will
discuss the Science vote tomorrow. They will meet again in September and
agree in October. NG will put in a plan to Science Committee towards end of
this year. This will probably be a call for tenders for various things (LHC
computing, Virtual Observatories etc). NG said that GridPP don't need to bid
to Science Committee now. NG said we should consider if we want new money to
go to GridPP again or have a tendering exercise inside PPARC. NG will let us
know in good time if we need to do something. There was no more information
on Framework VI. Several e-Science EoIs have been submitted.
EDG Progress
============
RM reported on the Q6 effort. All WPs delivered over expectation. He had
concerns about people leaving towards the end of the project. There had been
several All Hands abstracts submitted - Spitfire, OptorSim R-GMA and
Storage Element plus Network and CA for information only. RM reported that
the WP1 Core people will probably work on OGSification of the RB. The WP5
manpower is changing. TD asked what the plans were to produce code in WP5. JG
said the plan was to produce code! This will mean writing different handlers
for different functionality. RM raised concerns about future of LCFG inside
WP4. They could be parting company. TC said that LCFG is seen as a success at
sites with a small number of nodes but not at sites with a large number of
nodes.
LCG Progress
============
TC reported that he thought the LHCC presentation of LCG went well but the
referees weren't present. There are new RTAGs on Monte Carlo and software
architecture. The next recruitment will be at the end of the month. RTAGs are
serial so it is difficult to assign people to applications. On the LTA payment
there is now one person at CERN. An attempt to get someone else failed but
the system works. Mary Elizabeth needs to be informed as soon as there is a
possibility so that accommodation can be looked for.
OC Response
===========
TD reported on inputs required for the OC, based on the approved minutes
of the last meeting. He asked whether we need a separate document for risk
assessment and referred to the NeSC annual report which could possibly be
used as an input. It was agreed that these were mostly not relevant to
GridPP. DB agreed to check that all risk boxes are filled in the Project
Map and pull them together with a new macro. It was agreed to drop the
Gantt charts in favour of the Project Map. The Testbed and Rollout plans
need to be finalised. SL agreed to look at Sysman effort.
Collaboration Meetings
======================
Inputs are required ~now on the Fifth (IC) Collaboration meeting. TD will
collate inputs and provide preliminary schedule, as usual. It was agreed
that the Sixth Collaboration meeting should be in February at Coseners.
The date should be based on EB inputs (subject to local constraints).
The seventh was already fixed for Oxford in May (again, EB input should be
used to constrain the date). The fallback option for the eighth could be
NeSC-Glasgow. Other suggestions for e-Science Centre associated venues
welcome.
PMB Internal Review
===================
It was agreed that the weekly PMB meetings work well and are responsive to
short-term requirements. The physical meetings required more long-term
planning/agenda-setting. DB will take over running these meetings,
according to the Project Map inputs/timescales, gathered from all areas
of the Project.
NEW ACTION 40.36 DB Check and pull together risk assessments.
NEW ACTION 40.37 SL Look at Sysman effort.
Standing Items
==============
SI-1 : ALL : Continual review/improvement/update of the GridPP website
SI-2 : ALL : to provide any new items to SL (who will pass on to PPARC).
SI-3 : ALL : supply SL/TD with meeting dates for the web page
SI-4 : EB & TB : to improve their areas of the web.
ACTIONS as at 15 July 2002
===========================
ACTION 17.14 : JCG revise Tier 1/A staffing plans
ACTION 35.2 : JG to value additional kit used at RAL and other sites.
ACTION 35.3 : DB to pull additional effort from reporting spreadsheet.
ACTION 35.4 : TD to contact sites which do not yet have a "green dot"
ACTION 35.10 : JG to form HAG2
ACTION 35.11 : JG to arrange meetings to discuss testbed rollouts.
ACTION 36.2 : RM to appoint new staff member for WP3.
ACTION 36.3 : RM/PC/JG to initiate middleware submissions for e-science
hands-on meeting in September by 12th July.
ACTION 36.4 : NB/RB to initiate experiments submissions for e-science
hands-on meeting in September by 12th July.
ACTION 37.1 : RM to send email to UKHEPGRID informing them of new codes.
ACTION 37.2 : RM to finalise/distribute Q6 reports to PMB.
ACTION 37.3 : JG to review deputy job description.
ACTION 37.4 : RM to send email to PMB giving status of each WP.
ACTION 38.1 : NB to circulate information from experiments to PMB and EB.
ACTION 38.2 : TD to provide 2 slides for FAB
ACTION 38.3 : NB to clarify spending on Babar experiments.
ACTION 38.4 : RB to provide PC with info on Babar project planning.
ACTION 39.1 : Ensure all abstracts are in for Friday 12th July
ACTION 39.2 : SL - LCG High Level Deliverables news item to be put on web.
ACTION 39.3 : NB - Experiments' time planning for data challenges etc. to
be put on web.
ACTION 40.1 : TC to verify 1.1.1 through to 1.5.7.
ACTION 40.2 : TC to email DB with status of 1.1.3, 1.2.1, 1.2.2, 1.3.1 and
1.3.2.
ACTION 40.3 : DB to finish macros to extract EDG effort and update 2.1.1,
2.2.1, 2.3.1, 2.4.1, 2.5.1, 2.6.1 and 2.7.1 accordingly.
ACTION 40.4 : RM to look at 2.1 and 2.7 and update them.
ACTION 40.5 : RM to change release dates by 3 months.
ACTION 40.6 : RM to email DB confirmation of status of 2.2.5, 2.3.5, 2.4.5, 2.5.5,
2.6.6 and 2.7.4.
ACTION 40.7 : RM to verify/correct 2.11 through to 2.7.7.
ACTION 40.8 : PC to provide DB with separate ATLAS, LHCb and joint
ATLAS/LHCb milestones.
ACTION 40.9 : DB to verify CMS milestone details for 3.2
ACTION 40.10 : PC to provide DB with set of BaBar milestones for 3.3.1 to
3.3.12
ACTION 40.11 : DB to liaise with DC to verify integrated set of SAM/D0/CDF
milestones in 3.4
ACTION 40.12 : PC to verify 3.5.1 to 3.5.6 and email DB confirmation of
status of 3.5.1 to 3.5.4
ACTION 40.13 : DB & PC to meet on 6 September at IC to review all milestones.
ACTION 40.14 : SL To contact institutes about Tier-2 planning.
ACTION 40.15 : SL to check 4.3.
ACTION 40.16 : PC to verify rollout plan milestones to JG for 4.5
ACTION 40.17 : JG to verify/correct 4.1.1 through to 4.6.3
ACTION 40.18 : JG to email DB confirmation status of 4.1.2, 4.2.1, 4.4.2,
4.4.3, 4.5.2 and 4.6.1.
ACTION 40.19 : TD to email DB confirmation status of 4.3.1
ACTION 40.20 : TD to verify/confirm 5.1.1 through to 5.4.5.
ACTION 40.21 : SL to provide 5.1.1 from 6.2.1.
ACTION 40.22 : TD to email DB best estimates of current numbers for 5.1.1
through to 5.4.5.
ACTION 40.23 : ALL to join GGF Applications Group.
ACTION 40.24 : SL to circulate dissemination spreadsheet for checking.
ACTION 40.25 : SL to email DB best estimates of current numbers for 6.1.1 through to 6.3.5.
ACTION 40.26 : DB to verify/confirm 7.1.1 through to 7.3.4
ACTION 40.27 : DB to provide estimates of current numbers for 7.1.1 through
to 7.3.4.
ACTION 40.28 : RM to provide input to DB for 7.1.2 and 7.1.4.
ACTION 40.29 : DB to update status of 7.2. and 7.2.3
ACTION 40.30 : DB to develop methods for extracting information for 7.3.1
ACTION 40.31 : JG to start to collect information for 7.3.2
ACTION 40.32 : JG to provide input to DB for 7.3.3
ACTION 40.33 : TD to contact Bristol, Lancaster and RAL.
ACTION 40.34 : SL Put Hands On Abstracts on Web.
ACTION 40.35 : RB & JG Provide input to TD on InterGrid.
ACTION 40.36 : DB Check and pull together risk assessments.
ACTION 40.37 : SL Look at Sysman effort.
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