Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/this-week.txt
(as well as being listed with other minutes e.g. 020527.txt).
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 482, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
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GridPP PMB Minutes 34 - 27th May 2002
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Present: Tony Doyle, Tony Cass, Peter Clark, Dave Britton, John Gordon,
Robin Middleton, Roger Barlow, Steve Lloyd, Barbara Scott (secretary).
Context: The Oversight Committee requires the "metrics for success"
for GridPP to be tabulated and available by ~June 15th, as noted in the
action from the last minutes.
ACTION 33.2 : DB to edit/author Metrics for Success document, based on
PMB input.
The agenda arose primarily in response to this action.
0. Vision Revision
===================
The Board discussed DB's statement defining the GridPP Goal. Following
debate it was decided that it was sufficient that the goal should be
defined as GridPP being a large (rather than largest) Grid in the UK,
in order to achieve the various goals.
1. Metrics & Goals
===================
DB had narrowed the original objectives down from 10 in the vision
documenent to 8 and was working on the metrics as an appropriate
combination of milestones, components or objectives. It was important
that the presentation kept the goal in mind and the OC informed of
progress. This was currently done by producing 8 components then within
that a set of elements showing milestones or deliverables.
i) CERN: TC was not sure about CERN's presentation as the LHC goal was
not the same as GridPP. TD & PC felt there should be more info about the
technical work and the GridPP contribution but TC said that the goal would
have to encompass this as part of the project. TC said that he would look
into LCG milestones, currently being defined by the PEB, with inputs from
SC2.
ii) DATAGRID: RM was concerned at the lack of detail in the milestones
indicating that if the Grid usage was not measured it would be deemed as
having failed. He felt that the milestones should be worded to deliver and
define what we want to achieve but PC said we would make things harder by
setting more milestones that have to be monitored. He also said that the
objectives on the Datagrid slide should perhaps be reworded to include
"develop grid middleware technology" and datagrid would then become an
element of this without including workpackages. The other members did
agree with this viewpoint but indicated that the document had to be more
explicit for the OC. DB said that he did have an alternative list in mind
which he would forward to the others.
iii,iv) LHC APPLICATIONS & OTHERS: The Board viewed the 3 elements and RB
was happy with the first 2. PC said that he agreed how DB had
interpretated it but did not think that this was what Daron Green (OC)
wanted. DB asked if RM would check his wording.
[DB left at this point].
v) INFRASTRUCTURE JG had some doubts about the structure that DB suggested
for this element and felt that there should be more section breakdowns
showing the delivery of Tier Centres and how many are using the Grid. He
had already produced a draft report regarding this but has more work to do
on it.
vi) INTEROPERABILITY: TD hoped that PC could provide input to the three
deliverables. PC wanted to replace 'develop' with something more
appropriate. He also thought GLUE should not be included at all. JG
suggested putting in the NeSC Centre. TD & DB would continue to work on
this.
vii) DISSEMINATION: SL had done the input for this and reported that the
web pages had had 12,000 hits in April.
viii) RESOURCES: This had still to be completed. Suggestion for elements
were; hardware, manpower and software.
2. Framework 6
==============
TD asked for comments on the diagram forward by NG. PC said that there
should have been a box on the diagram to include standards. RM said that
he would have further discussion with NG on Wednesday.
3. ATLAS/LHCb Joint Meeting at Cosener's
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Various members of the PMB reported on the usefulness of the meeting
organised by Nick Brook et al. This success should be reported in a
GridPP news item.
NEW ACTION 34.1 : SL to report on ATLAS/LHCb mtg. as a news item
4. WP8 Report
=============
TD had thought that WP8 postholders (and their PIs) were already reporting
via DataGrid so had not sent the PI e-mail to them. RM said he would send
him a list of PIs).
5. DataTAG WG4
==============
JG reported from Friday's meeting that the UK has no commitment to run
extensive testbeds through DataTAG WP4 and a memo was sent pointing this
out to WP4 management. JG and PC noted that we should not be too worried
as others share our concerns about DataTAG testbeds and the EDG PMB will
discuss.
6. IBM presentation - "GridPP: an operational grid"
===================================================
TD said that Daron Green (Chair of OC) had asked for a presentation on
"GridPP - an Operational Grid" emphasising what can be done now (as
well as what our plans are). TD asked for input. RM said he would
forward EDG testbed slides. RB said he would send BaBar slides as well.
TD said he also planned to give a 10 minute overview of GridPP to
Astrogrid on 26th June.
7. GridPP standard templates
============================
SL has remade the templates and put them on the web under 'docs'.
8. DTI/Ministerial Day
======================
TD said there was demo for ministers organised by DTI on 25th June, and RB
is one of the invited speakers/demonstrators. TD asked about requirements
for connections via modems and mobile phones (connections would be needed
to laptops). RB was trying to ensure that this was possible.
9. Actions list
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Standing Items
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SI-1 : ALL : Continual review/improvement/update of the GridPP website
Vision Summary uploaded to website.
SI-2 : ALL : to provide any new items to SL (who will pass on to PPARC)
Steve posted a News item explaining how to send a job to the Grid.
SI-3 : ALL : supply SL/TD with meeting dates for the web page
TB/EB dates to be put on website - CB date to be entered.
SI-4 : EB & TB : to improve their areas of the web.
Review of Actions
=================
ACTION 17.14 : JCG revise Tier 1/A staffing plans
---ongoing - no further progress.
ACTION 17.19 : DB process spreadsheet from PC and use in reporting.
---ongoing - GANTT chart required.
ACTION 29.3 : TD to email PIs with info in experiments reporting mechanism
---ongoing - RM to send TD list of PIs and WP8 to be added.
ACTION 33.1 : ALL to provide input to draft Metrics for Success document.
---ongoing - everyone still working on this.
ACTION 33.2 : DB to edit/author Metrics for Success document, based on
PMB input.
---ongoing - still working on this.
ACTION 33.3 : TD to define position/role of Project Manager.
---ongoing - TD chart produced a chart but description still required.
ACTION 33.4 : TD to appoint a Project Manager.
---ongoing - though likely to be Dave Britton.
ACTION 33.5 : TD to arrange a meeting with OC Chair (Daron Green).
---ongoing - will arrange this in Brussels with DG
ACTION 33.6 : RM to define and implement budget codes for this FY.
---ongoing--- though 4 further codes have been created.
ACTION 33.7 : RM & NB to post EB/TB dates on EB/TB web pages
---done
10. AOCB
========
The board attempted to arrange the next monthly meeting at UCL but found
it difficult to finalise a date to suit everybody's busy schedules.
Note added: the meeting was subsequently fixed for Wednesday June 12.
ACTIONS AS AT 27TH MAY 2002
===========================
ACTION 17.14 : JCG revise Tier 1/A staffing plans
ACTION 17.19 : DB process spreadsheet from PC and use in reporting.
ACTION 29.3 : TD to e-mail PIs with info on experiments reporting mechanism
ACTION 33.1 : ALL to provide input to draft Metrics for Success document.
ACTION 33.2 : DB to edit/author Metrics for Success document, based on
PMB input.
ACTION 33.3 : TD to define position/role of Project Manager.
ACTION 33.4 : TD to appoint Project Manager.
ACTION 33.5 : TD to arrange a meeting with OC Chair (Daron Green).
ACTION 33.6 : RM to define and implement budget codes for this FY.
ACTION 34.1 : SL to report on ATLAS/LHCb mtg. as a news item
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