Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/this-week.txt
(as well as being listed with other minutes e.g. 020501.txt).
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 482, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.234
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GridPP PMB Minutes 31 - 1st May 2002
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Present: Dave Britton, Nick Brook, Tony Cass, Peter Clarke, Tony Doyle,
Neil Geddes, John Gordon, Steve Lloyd, Robin Middleton.
Full day meeting held at Glasgow University, with members physically present.
As this was a discussion meeting the Actions List was not considered.
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John Gordon showed a draft of resources spent on Tier A Centre giving a spend
of 600K compared with 730K spent on last financial quarter making a balance of
167K available. However this did not reflect VAT invoices related to tapes
ordered in March which have not been presented. A further 10K is available to
be spent on miscellaneous items such as lap tops but again some of this may
have already been used up before bills have not been settled.
He then viewed the Tier 1/A chart and stated that all elements were in place.
It was stated that Cern were not purchasing any new Objectivity licenses,
presenting some problems for CMS production.
Equipment use was then discussed and whether it should be limited to LHC &
BaBar only or if it should be made available to other areas. .JG suggested
focussing on BaBar for next 3 months to see how it goes. He said that testbeds
had not been looked at for various reasons. PC said that OC were demanding
action on this.
JG asked for the definition of a Tier-2 Centre but it was still unclear whether
the whole tier concept would be adopted.
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Steve Lloyd reported on plans for the next CB Mtg and said that Tier-2 would
be added to the agenda, but this needed to be consistent with current
finances (where no allocation is made for Tier-2) down. PC asked if
GridPP had been given a Tier-2 plan or if SL would arrange this himself.
Any ideas on this should be forwarded to SL for the OC/CB mtg.
[note: a plan was defined shortly after the meeting]
SL said that the web pages are coming together. PC said that the TB pages are
also getting there. TD stated that there needed to be better links to EB pages.
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Peter Clarke reported on the Experiments input to the Gantt charts but
noted that some forms had not been returned. Further study was needed on
BaBar and CMS but he was unable to do this and had hoped Roger Barlow
would have been at this meeting to discuss this further. PC suggested that
Dave Britton provide CMS input.
Discussion took place as to how various technical developments were reported.
PC still had to finalise the Management Instruments and Procedure paper. A TB
Quarterly Report document also had to be prepared. RM was working on it but
needed all spreadsheets relating to the last quarter.
PC said that he would try to complete a Report on Tier 1 for Friday with JG.
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Nick Brook reported on the status of the experimental posts stating
firstly that most ATLAS/CMS/LHCb posts had been filled. Bristol joint
CMS/BaBar post and Lancaster D0 post still had to be filled. TD said we
needed to have date of appointments for these people.
In a report on the Experiments Board meeting, NB noted that a standard
form was already defined for CPU/Disk/Network requirements. NB was chasing
up on spreadsheet data collection and hoped for feedback from RB before
the next joint EB/TB meeting. The proposed dates for the next meetings are
18th June, 18th September, 16th December, 18th March 2003, and 24th June
2003. These will be confirmed by the end of the week and then suitable
venues will be found.
Data Challenge Plans are arranged as follows : ATLAS; 1st week of May, June,
July, October, November. CMS production to end of April and then one month
later. LCHb 3rd to 30th June and 26th August to 22nd September. D0 integration
system & scalability tests to be arranged away form LHC production. There was
then a discussion of permanent disk storage requirements.
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Dave Britton gave his report on resources and presented a chart to show
spending on GridPP. He then showed a breakdown of expenditure for the
various Institutes, however the CERN overview of staff was not realistic
because spreadsheet information had not yet been provided.
The Board discussed ways of monitoring spending in order to satisfy the
OC. TD said we should be able to show our spending accurately and
highlight any discrepancies from the original plan.
The set of tables produced by DB were then viewed showing costings for
applications/experiments, operations and a breakdown for spending by
individual institutions. It was agreed that DB’s tables be presented to
the OC after verification with Dave Kelsey and Robin Middleton on CLRC
staff.
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Robin Middleton reported on GridPP WP update with the rest of the Board.
Mainly staffing issues were highlighted. The travel budget showed an allocation
of 200K and a spending of 160K, however this did not include the EU budget
worth approximately 18K. Travel costs were viewed and it was noted that
monthly comparisons had shown an increase in spending from last year.
CERN & LTA? To be funded through LCG budget - TD is to discuss this.
EDG Status was reviewed and there is still concern regarding testbed support.
Progress was reported on interoperability, OGSA , CrossGrid and DataTAG. A
PMB discussion is required on Framework VI.
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Tony Cass gave an update from CERN and reported that 3 new staff members
had started in February, March and April. Six RTAGs had now been created
which will feed back into other areas. The summary of the LCG presentation to
Resource Review Board (RRB) will be presented to LHCC in July. A second
round of interviews for more staff had taken place over the last two days. From
140 applicants, 19 people had been interviewed with approximately 9 people
being offered posts.
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Tony Doyle presented the GripPP PM Status Report to the Board for discussion
stating that the management structure was now well established with only one
staffing change. This document was also viewed with the OC minutes to in
response to their summary points.
The Board discussed Risk Assessment and the implications of EDG failure.
It was recognised that there were problems in software areas and their
long-term support. It was noted that the minutes from the last OC meeting
had highlighted risk assessment as requiring more work, however these
should be focussed on GridPP-specific areas (as opposed to those where
there is responsibility through EDG and LCG).
SUMMARY ACTIONS
Tony Doyle - vision document
Tony Doyle - status report
Dave Britton - to update resource report
Robin Middleton - Datagrid quarterly report and template
Tony Cass - LCG Report
Peter Clarke - management instruments report, rollout plan
and two Gantt charts
John Gordon - Rollout plan, Tier-A/1 status report
Nick Brook - EB input
PMB - Exec Summary
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