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Subject:

Re: old 'pantoum'

From:

Sally James <[log in to unmask]>

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The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:57:37 +0000

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Think its short for pantaloons. I always think of the card game pontoon,
Sally J






>From: grasshopper <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: old 'pantoum'
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:28:48 -0000
>
>Why is it that when I see the name Pantoum, I can a mental image of a big
>ol' pair of navy school knickers?
>Kind regards,
>          grasshopper
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bousfield, Christine [CES]" <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:37 AM
>Subject: Re: old 'pantoum'
>
>
> > Yes C you may be right. I'll think about it when I've unearthed Peter
> > Sansom's book -under all my rubble at home!
> > BW
> > C
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christina Fletcher [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: 30 October 2002 19:06
> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      Re: old 'pantoum'
> > >
> > > C, I must admit that, since I'm in complete chaos (thank god for the
> > > computer), I can't find Peter Sansom's book which gives details about
> > > pantoums.  I know there are websites, but I'm too lazy to find at them
>at
> > > the mo'.  But the thing that really excites me about pantoums is the
>way
> > > two lines from the first stanza repeat in the final stanza (regardless
>of
> > > the length of the poem).  At least, I think that's so.  I think it's a
> > > fabulous form for obsessive compulsive thoughts (sorry, I'm repeating
> > > things I've already written but before Christine joined the list) and
>this
> > > has all the right ingredients but I feel let down at the end and I
>suspect
> > > that's because the conclusion doesn't stick to the form.  The reason I
> > > think this is because if this poem formed a circle it would have more
> > > impact for me:  the initial fear, the moving towards the conclusion
>that
> > > was the initial fear and the whole thing repeat! ing, over and over
>again.
> > > I think the only way to do this is by using two lines from S1 in the
>last
> > > stanza.  Whatdaya reckon?
> > > bw
> > > c
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Let Age...
> > >
> > >       They happened while sleeping,
> > >       hieroglyphs on my face;
> > >       as the shadows were deepening,
> > >       someone else took my place.
> > >
> > >       Hieroglyphs on my face:
> > >       I'm not long for this earth,
> > >       someone else took my place,
> > >       someone born at my birth.
> > >
> > >       I'm not long for this earth,
> > >       someone else took my place,
> > >       someone born at my  birth
> > >       who looks out of my face.
> > >
> > >       Someone else took my place,
> > >       I fall out of time,
> > >       she looks out of my face
> > >       and this flesh is not mine.
>
> >


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