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Re: Pome

From:

Bob Cooper <[log in to unmask]>

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The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:52:34 +0000

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Hi Paul,
I'm enjoying reading this poem! Enjoying the simple language and the 
pictures the words create... I don't know the woodcuts and I'd have to 
travel miles to try and find the book you mention for a glimpse...
However, the poem...
It's quite difficult to read a poem that's based so closely on an unfamiliar 
picture (or, I find it difficult to read a poem that...!) because I keep 
wondering what's from the scene that's being depicted and what's from the 
poet. Am I right in assuming that these woodcuts are to be seen together? If 
they are then I find myself puzzled in trying to work out which image 
belongs to which woodcut... (Perhaps I need to read it all much more 
carefully!)
And I, too, find the word "pansies" has added meanings these days! (Well, 
"these days" perhaps started, for the word, and then the flower, I guess, in 
the 1960s) (How long does it take for a word to only carry it's original 
meaning?) (decades or centuries?).
And I'm intrigued by the way the way the lances are "disconnected" after 
being "placed" in their backs! (the Light Horse's backs!). Do you mean 
"pulled out" "withdrawn" after they've been speared with them?
But there's one part that causes me difficulties I don't think seeing the 
woodcuts could solve. You write:
"a formless vortex
And the old-placed evil was postponed
Sent off to some never never land
Beyond the sea."
and I can't help thinking of Peter Pan, and wondering what a "formless 
vortex" can be. Vortex (or vorticies) seems s8uch a big word, woodcuts seem 
to little.
I sense, in the above crits, I may be talking about the words you're using. 
But now I feel I want to see the woodcuts, savour what you've seen. But the 
poem's also about the woodcarver, about the subjects... and I do feel it's 
working independantly of its soruce.
Bob






>From: paul murphy <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Pome
>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:19:38 +0000

TWELVE WOODCUTS BY DERYCK





                                    Here you are, the thirteenth disciple

                                    At the last supper:

                                    On your left, no doubt is Thomas

                                    On your right Judas –

                                    Their unblinking eyes hone in on the 
wood

                                    A shower of Galloglaich is taking cover 
–

                                    The question is: will the English 
lancers

                                    Pursue the Irish horse for eternity?

                                    The smell of sweat, excrement, horse 
manure, blood:

                                    A javelin is thrown, but still they 
circle

And circle like the prettiest carousel

                                    At the funfair.  Twelve is more than the

                                    Company, for there is one more:

                                    Here is the artist, his hair is lank and 
greasy,

                                    He is drunk and sweat glistens on his 
brow.

                                    You are the absence that even Jesus 
dared not dream.



                                    Once the pansies, stones, trees were

                                    Lifted up.

                                    A dark mood, brown study

                                    Things that are hidden, dark words, 
backstabbings,

                                    Blood at the dim gateway

All that echoes in a moment’s time.

                                    For all the pansies, stones, trees

                                    Were sucked up in a formless vortex

                                    And the old-placed evil was postponed

                                    Sent off to some never never land

                                    Beyond the sea.



                                    You, the artist, depict yourself as 
Jesus

                                    You are your own creation, the eyes 
glimmer.

                                    They love you, at last.  As you gaze 
beyond

                                    Your creation, past the woods,

                                    The hurredly-arriving Kern

                                    With arquebuses alight, and the Light 
Horse

                                    Disconnecting the lances placed in their 
backs

                                    By your hand, and circling more and more

                                    Quickly as another evening comes

                                    Somewhere, sometime, in Ireland.

Paul Murphy


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