Hi Arthur,
You write (about letting the poems be themselves, and nothing but
themselves):
"I have to reconcile that little paradox
>if I can."
H'm. I sometimes think that jottings in notebooks, the
not-yet-so-good-poems, and those that’ve matured and have got their own
depths (which we’re not always aware of) can often whisper to each other,
help each other out. It may be that a poem that’s a page long may offer you
an image, a few words, that become something smaller and different. Or it
may be that a poem that’s been happy with its 2 or 3 lines may start nudging
you because it wants to help out something that’s already a lot longer.
Good musicians, according to Stravinsky, steal (and because they’re good –
they know how to get away with it!). I guess poets steal too (techniques,
words, ways of saying things, even phrases?) – and even from themselves!
So I maybe can't resolve the paradox either! I guess I never see anything as
finished, untouchable again, unable to talk to me (tho it can talk to
others!).
Bob
>From: arthur seeley <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Haiku
>Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:26:10 +0100
>
>Thanks for your comments Bob. I am in a learning mode with haiku., as
>perhaps I am with all my work. However I have a bit of a mind-set which I
>have to overcome, which is that I see what I have submitted here as similar
>to pages from a sketchbook, thoughts for larger things, and yet they are
>not, they are complete and finished. I have to reconcile that little
>paradox
>if I can.Regards Arthur.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Cooper" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Haiku
>
>
> > I've been reading these with a lot of pleasure, Arthur...
> > And I've been reading the comments about the craft of such poems as
>well.
> > I like the way the way you've got some to work without metaphor and some
>to
> > be altogether metaphor. The first is simple (and very good) yet the
>one's
> > that work with fireworks and boulders trundling down corridors are
>louder
> > (is that because of their strong metaphors, too?).
> > The one that works least for me (where, I guess it's the metaphor that
> > doesn't work too well) is the one about the sparrows... I sort of have
>to
> > stretch my mind a long way to get into a weaving shed (where I see lots
>of
> > shuttles, lots of noise, lots of activity... and I sort of get a glimpse
>of
> > those shoals of starlings that would darken late afternoon skies in
>cities!
> > So, and it may just be me, I find the link, at a deeper level than
>what's
> > visual in the moment, difficult to make).
> > The others, tho, open up all kinds of reflective open space in my head.
> > Yeh, what I really like is the way each works as a kind of announcement;
>the
> > way each becomes an invitation for the image you've written to linger
>(and,
> > sometimes, to change) long after the words have been read. Such openness
> > works well with me.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > >From: arthur seeley <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Haiku
> > >Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:04:22 +0100
> > >
> > >John and Gary I visited the site you gave me, very interesting and
> > >enlightening. There seems no syllabic count as such. I seem to be
>getting
> > >the idea. So herewith some Haiku...........I think!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > i
> > >wind shakes leaves
> > >hills grey under rain
> > > beyond the sun
> > >
> > > ii
> > >ragged sea
> > >gulls rend at a dead crab
> > >waves fuss and tidy
> > >
> > > iii
> > >
> > >laughter
> > >blooms and flutes
> > >wind through long grass
> > >
> > > iv
> > >forest gloom
> > >raindrops
> > >star along leaves
> > >
> > > v
> > >fungus coats a dead twig
> > >with viridian life
> > > footsteps behind me
> > >
> > > vi
> > >sparrows shuttle
> > >weft
> > >warps of light
> > >weave the morning
> > >
> > > vii
> > >gala
> > >fireworks flower
> > >in the garden of night
> > >
> > > viii
> > >boulders of thunder
> > >trundle
> > >down corridors of sky
> > >
> > > ix
> > >wind chimes
> > >announce
> > >enter the rain
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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