All my point was that if you erect 'normal' as a desideratum then all you
need do is to expose its falsity is to transfer its application to a
situation like Nazi Germany (or many others) where what is 'sick' becomes
normative.
Ok?
Yeah, I remember Suzanne too.
Best
Dave
David Bircumshaw
Leicester, England
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
> As I still don't recall, in fact, since you quoted something else. But
> Alison can take up this exchange, which she started and has continued up
to
> now, herself, if she likes, or not. I'm not going to discuss her with you
as
> if she weren't even here.
>
> I think I see where your confusion arose between Erminia and one of her
old
> pseuds--maybe Sonia (and Suzanne, too) was before your time? I wish they'd
> both stay buried in the archives myself, but the reappearance of one or
both
> doesn't seem grounds for sick Nazi jokes. Just my opinion as a fellow
> listee, Dave--pay me no mind if that doesn't matter to you--Candice
>
>
> on 1/4/02 1:56 PM, david.bircumshaw at [log in to unmask]
wrote:
>
> >> I'm sure Alison is capable of speaking for herself.
> >>
> >
> > I'm sure she is, too, Candice. That's why I quoted her comment as you
seemed
> > to not recall her making it. Just trying to be helpful.
> >
> >
> > David Bircumshaw
> >
> > Leicester, England
> >
> > Home Page
> >
> > A Chide's Alphabet
> >
> > Painting Without Numbers
> >
> > www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
> >
> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
> >
> >
> >> What fire?
> >>
> >> I'm sure Alison is capable of speaking for herself.
> >>
> >> That's all, Dave, thanks--
> >>
> >> Candice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> on 1/4/02 12:38 PM, david.bircumshaw at [log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Candice, this fire's been burning too long.
> >>>
> >>> You say to Alison:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't recall your complaining of "arson-terrorism" as
> > "inappropriate,"
> >>>
> >>> Her first response to your introduction of the term 'arson-terrorism'
> >>> included:
> >>>
> >>>> "Arson-terrorism" seems an inaccurate term to me; arson will do.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That's all.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David Bircumshaw
> >>>
> >>> Leicester, England
> >>>
> >>> Home Page
> >>>
> >>> A Chide's Alphabet
> >>>
> >>> Painting Without Numbers
> >>>
> >>> www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
> >>>
> >>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:34 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> on 1/3/02 5:14 PM, Alison Croggon at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Extraordinary, Candice - this sort of fear-inflation by buzz words,
> >>>>> and the consequent cripppling of thinking and critique, is just what
> >>>>> I was objecting to when I complained that "arson-terrorism" was
> >>>>> inappropriate.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you must have misunderstood Chris's post, Alison--surely he
was
> >>>> objecting to government-manipulated "fear-inflation by buzz words,
and
> > the
> >>>> consequent crippling of thinking and critique," by the media(?).
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't recall your complaining of "arson-terrorism" as
> > "inappropriate,"
> >>>> although, going by Chris's report, you'd apparently be right to do so
> >>> where
> >>>> these fires are concerned. What I heard you saying was that
"terrorism"
> > is
> >>> a
> >>>> "non-word," which it most certainly is not, and I remain baffled by
> > your
> >>>> wish to deny its usage, even its existence perhaps, in the face of
> >>>> overwhelming evidence to the contrary. There is every reason to
> > advocate
> >>> for
> >>>> clearer definition of "terrorism," though, which classifying it by
type
> >>>> (arson-, say, or media-) might do, if not exclusively of course. This
> > is
> >>>> just one possible means of clarification among others, the point
being
> > the
> >>>> need to define the term more specifically and thereby more usefully.
> >>>>
> >>>> Candice
>
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