>This is out of order David. Please withdraw it.

Randolph<

Yes, Randolph, it was out of line and I certainly do withdraw it. I'm afraid
I was caught on the back foot, as it were.

Best

Dave



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wild Honey Press" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: question re: duck apology/and beyond


Well, I seem to be getting posts out of sync.
This is out of order David. Please withdraw it.

Randolph


----- Original Message -----
From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: question re: duck apology/and beyond


> I'll say something else about this post of Erminia's - I think it's got to
> the point on this list where it's either I goes or she does. Unlike
Erminia
> I've never harassed people back-channel, nor am I a pseudo-communist
> bourgeoisie posing as a poet even though she has a dead ear for English.
>
> I've really had enough of her nasty little attacks, no doubt I'll be the
one
> punished for what she's done, I'm used to life being like that, I'm not
out
> to control anybody, Erminia, except myself of course, we all have that
> responsibility. But I really am offended by that post of yours.
>
>
> David Bircumshaw
>
> Leicester, England
>
> Home Page
>
> A Chide's Alphabet
>
> Painting Without Numbers
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erminia Passannanti" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: question re: duck apology/and beyond
>
>
> Kent, I was thinking exactly this tonight: what list is this?: is it a
> list of artists, Randolph? If yes, please, make aware those who are lately
> shown an intolerance against artistic indiscipline and /or pataphysiss
> that if they don't like it, - if they do not like the language, the
> imagery, the quality of the similes, and so on... - they can always switch
> to a parochial list: there are many around.
>
> I would/we would most appreciate if you could make those who think this
> list is to be a list of narrow-minded uninspired provincial, insular
> limited right winged poet-aster that - although they might try hard with
> their petty corporative guttural efforts - there little to do against
> those radical artist who have to be themselves, like Kent or
> Gabriel...David B. being worried about this list behind inhabited by
> poetic ego, he mast not be a pot himself, then. Poets are egos. Unless you
> have one, you are out of the game. To say to a critic you object to poet's
> ego is to be for ever banned from the literary world. What are you looking
> for, the poet as [the Next Door Neighbor? This silly post-war English
> hypocrisy and ineptitude, to level down the 'different' to recluse and
> secure him/her into the British narrow minded system of control? Sorry,
> out there, in Europe and in the rest of the world, people do not give a
> shit about reducing poets to next-door neighbors for afternoon garden
> design exchanges...
> Good manner is one think, censorship is another......
>
>
> By the way...I was quite disgusted lately by some fascists remarks that
> David B. broadcast on this channel about German people. I cannot think of
> a country which is more civilized that contemporary German, and which
> people is the example of concern on history: let those who bear resentment
> wink.
>
>
> We are looking for a time of forgiveness and reconciliation, for one
> united Europe (insulars can stay where they are if they wish. Nobody is
> making a huge fuss about their absence, really, as far as I...am
> concerned...)
>
> Had I been concerned with this out of fashion vaguely political post-
> parochial correctness, my anthology of British poets would have not
> included in the Italian Central National Library of Florence (Global
> database of Italian authors and works) but in the bin.
>
> So, please, do ask those who show this fastidious intolerance to leave
> the artists alone, to let the artists to their jobs and if possible to
> leave the balls (tennis -balls) thee where they found them..
>
> Erminia
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 May 2002 11:22:45 -0500, KENT JOHNSON
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Randolph said,
> >
> >>I cannot see how the author of the original "joke" thought that
> >>there was any place on this list for such libellous fantasies. An
> >>apology from him would not be out of order.
> >
> >I'm not sure if Randolph refers to the "joke" of my post, or to
> >another joke concerning bestiality by Erminia or Gabe. I think my
> >post was transparently jokey enough to not give anyone Offense,
> >least of all Senor Gudding, who I KNOW was not offended, he
> >being the artist par excellance of the ancient and hallowed tradition
> >of love-wack insult, in all mediums written.
> >
> >You have to understand: Immediately after I told my story about
> >Gabe's exciting gabinete adventures with the Oulipian Hairy Mutts,
> >Gabe and I started up a thrilling back channel email
> >correspondence pertaining to my inviting him to read this fall in my
> >HCC Major Poets Series, in return for which he is promising to try
> >to get my next editorial project published by a leading vanguard
> >press run by Harry Matthews out of Paris and Milan. As Gabe put
> >it to me, jokingly, "back-channel": *You hit my duck and I hit
> >yours; that's the way the poetry world works today.* Of course, this
> >is pure poppycock: I am inviting Gabe to read because I love and
> >admire his pornographic and animal-abuse poetry; he is going to
> >the mat for me on my next book because he believes I am an
> >unusual talent to be dealt with.
> >
> >But, all of that aside, I *do* want to say, in case anyone is writing
> >GG b-c, urging him to sue me for my having made public a very
> >private encounter:
> >
> >I made it all up. And I promise, cross my heart, and hope to die if I
> >ever hit my duck on this list again.
> >
> >Kent
>