That's ok re the Sonia handle, Randolph.
But what I do want to know was just what was the _point_ of her original
interruption of 'Mandarin' accusations and that 'can(sic) you just be normal
to each other'? And I'd like to know the answer to that from Erminia
herself. I have to confess I find being described as Mandarin by someone who
teaches at Oxford somewhat , um, 'rich'.
I tend to forget that people actually go away on holidays as the last time I
was able to afford one was over a decade ago.
Best
Dave
David Bircumshaw
Leicester, England
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Randolph Healy" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
> Re the Sonia handle.
> Listmembers may remember Erminia saying earlier that she would be off on
> hols for a while. She is simply using someone else's e-mail while away.
> I'm not at all happy at the way Erminia's presence on the list is
questioned
> on a regular basis. It's not fair. Perhaps anyone with such concerns
should
> seek clarification bc before making veiled accusations fc.
>
> Randolph
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
>
>
> > As I still don't recall, in fact, since you quoted something else. But
> > Alison can take up this exchange, which she started and has continued up
> to
> > now, herself, if she likes, or not. I'm not going to discuss her with
you
> as
> > if she weren't even here.
> >
> > I think I see where your confusion arose between Erminia and one of her
> old
> > pseuds--maybe Sonia (and Suzanne, too) was before your time? I wish
they'd
> > both stay buried in the archives myself, but the reappearance of one or
> both
> > doesn't seem grounds for sick Nazi jokes. Just my opinion as a fellow
> > listee, Dave--pay me no mind if that doesn't matter to you--Candice
> >
> >
> > on 1/4/02 1:56 PM, david.bircumshaw at [log in to unmask]
> wrote:
> >
> > >> I'm sure Alison is capable of speaking for herself.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm sure she is, too, Candice. That's why I quoted her comment as you
> seemed
> > > to not recall her making it. Just trying to be helpful.
> > >
> > >
> > > David Bircumshaw
> > >
> > > Leicester, England
> > >
> > > Home Page
> > >
> > > A Chide's Alphabet
> > >
> > > Painting Without Numbers
> > >
> > > www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
> > >
> > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
> > >
> > >
> > >> What fire?
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure Alison is capable of speaking for herself.
> > >>
> > >> That's all, Dave, thanks--
> > >>
> > >> Candice
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> on 1/4/02 12:38 PM, david.bircumshaw at [log in to unmask]
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Candice, this fire's been burning too long.
> > >>>
> > >>> You say to Alison:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I don't recall your complaining of "arson-terrorism" as
> > > "inappropriate,"
> > >>>
> > >>> Her first response to your introduction of the term
'arson-terrorism'
> > >>> included:
> > >>>
> > >>>> "Arson-terrorism" seems an inaccurate term to me; arson will do.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> That's all.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> David Bircumshaw
> > >>>
> > >>> Leicester, England
> > >>>
> > >>> Home Page
> > >>>
> > >>> A Chide's Alphabet
> > >>>
> > >>> Painting Without Numbers
> > >>>
> > >>> www.paintstuff.20m.com/index.htm
> > >>>
> > >>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Candice Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:34 AM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Happy New Year/ Oz burns
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> on 1/3/02 5:14 PM, Alison Croggon at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Extraordinary, Candice - this sort of fear-inflation by buzz
words,
> > >>>>> and the consequent cripppling of thinking and critique, is just
what
> > >>>>> I was objecting to when I complained that "arson-terrorism" was
> > >>>>> inappropriate.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think you must have misunderstood Chris's post, Alison--surely he
> was
> > >>>> objecting to government-manipulated "fear-inflation by buzz words,
> and
> > > the
> > >>>> consequent crippling of thinking and critique," by the media(?).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't recall your complaining of "arson-terrorism" as
> > > "inappropriate,"
> > >>>> although, going by Chris's report, you'd apparently be right to do
so
> > >>> where
> > >>>> these fires are concerned. What I heard you saying was that
> "terrorism"
> > > is
> > >>> a
> > >>>> "non-word," which it most certainly is not, and I remain baffled by
> > > your
> > >>>> wish to deny its usage, even its existence perhaps, in the face of
> > >>>> overwhelming evidence to the contrary. There is every reason to
> > > advocate
> > >>> for
> > >>>> clearer definition of "terrorism," though, which classifying it by
> type
> > >>>> (arson-, say, or media-) might do, if not exclusively of course.
This
> > > is
> > >>>> just one possible means of clarification among others, the point
> being
> > > the
> > >>>> need to define the term more specifically and thereby more
usefully.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Candice
> >
> >
>
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