I totally agree with everyone's views .... I would not let this guy loose with an ET tube.
Even if he were to be judged as competant now, he will soon loose the skills since as we all know - if you don't use it, you loose it.
I think that you would be laying yourself open to all kinds of litigation if something went wrong.
Best wishes,
Stuart.
Stuart Cooper,
OH Manager,
Houses of Parliament.
> from: Lorenzo Visentin <[log in to unmask]>
> date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:26:51
> to: [log in to unmask]
> subject: Re: First Aid
>
> Good morning JISC-mailers,
>
> A difficult conundrum since Phil's 'advanced' first aider's omnibus has
> swapped passengers! - and probably no longer has just first aiders on
> board. As the law of murphy always applies in these cases, you can
> guarantee that a paramedic crew won't be available on the day when
> intubation may have been required - your guy (I presume) has the
> requisite skills and is 'competent' - if he doesn't perform to the best
> of his capabilities, is he in breach of his duty of care? (and
> interestingly would you be, if you prohibited his use of those skills?)
>
> The role of the first aider is described in the FAW manual ISBN
> 0751307076, and as long as first aiders practise to the methods in that
> manual (defined as 'proper accepted first aid practice' Mod. Law Rev.,
> 1990, 53); litigation is highly unlikely to succeed (doesn't mean
> soneone won't try though).
>
> This however won't help the keen intubator, as this activity is outside
> the scope (my opinion) of proper accepted FA practice.
>
> A good one for the litigators.
>
> rgds to all,
>
> Lorenzo Visentin
> Group Health Manager, Europe
> Sun Valley Foods Ltd
> tel: 44(0)1432 362214
> fax: 44(0)1432 362306
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 08 April 2002 17:20
> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: First Aid
>
>
> Hi Phil
> I - and all the other OH nurses in the territorial army - were trained
> to
> 'advanced trauma life support' standard but it never even entered my
> head to
> do such a thing when the ambulance paramedics doing it all the time are
> around! Inspite of all this training I don't think I would want to do it
> unless there was no alternative - such as you say - in a remote
> location.
>
> Stick to the plasters - no pun intended!
>
> Greta Thornbory
> Education & Health Care Consultant
> WWW.gtenterprises-uk.com
> 01235 770156 phone
> 01235 765797 fax
> 07778 518 027 mobile
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelley Phil AD GB <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: First Aid
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We have had the same concerns. Check out the 1st Aid at Work Regs. If
> they
> > are trained to FAW certificate level and act within the limits of
> their
> > training there will be no litigation (this doesn't mean no one will
> try!).
> > You may wish then to train them for any other specific hazards in your
> > particular works.
> >
> > I have an interesting one. One of our advanced first aiders has got
> himself
> > on some kind of training to emergency medical technician standards
> which
> > includes intubation. He now is asking can we buy laryngoscopes and
> endo
> > tracheal tubes. I was trained to do all that kind of thing when I
> worked
> in
> > remote locations - offshore on oil rigs, but at a chemical firm in a
> large
> > city?
> >
> > Regs
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C.Sims [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 08 April 2002 22:44
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: First Aid
> >
> >
> > Does anybody have a leaflet expalining what a First Aider does,
> possibly
> > with some questions and answers about the implications of being a
> First
> > Aider? Apparently we have some reluctance amongst staff to become
> First
> > Aiders because of the fear of litigation.
> > Any information will be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanking you in anticipation.
> > Clare
> > --
> > C.Sims [log in to unmask]
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