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There are 28 messages totalling 735 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. the Rossettis and 'higgledy piggledy' tea
2. libel and slander?
3. Jekyll & Hyde and Science
4. call for papers: John Keble in Context
5. Pre-Raphaelites and Darwinism (3)
6. 'tailor-fashion' (11)
7. Trollope (6)
8. The British Empire (4)
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:21:00 +0100
From: Albert Purbrick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the Rossettis and 'higgledy piggledy' tea
More than tea was higgledy-piggledy in the Morris household; the poet,
womaniser
and
horse-breeder Wilfrid Scawen Blunt had an affair with Jane Morris. Women seemed
to
find him irresistible.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:57:04 +0200
From: "J.M.I. Klaver" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: libel and slander?
On 18 Oct 2002 at 19:29, David Finkelstein wrote:
> 1) potential sources that can offer a solid overview or commentary on
> the topic,
S.M. Waddams' _Sexual Slander in Nineteenth-Century England_ (UTP
2000) is a mine of information.
Best,
J.M. Ivo Klaver
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:38:26 +0100
From: Andrew Mangham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Jekyll & Hyde and Science
There's a good of website on the subject at:
http://www.uta.edu/english/danahay/jekyllsite.htm
Regards
Andrew Mangham
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:50:15 +0100
From: Kirstie Blair <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: call for papers: John Keble in Context
CALL FOR PAPERS
JOHN KEBLE IN CONTEXT
Keble College, Oxford
Saturday 10 May 2003
John Keble was one of the major figures of the early – mid-nineteenth century,
exerting influence across the disciplines of literature, religion, poetics and
politics through his work with the Oxford Movement, his popular poetry,
particularly the bestselling Christian Year, his lectures on poetics, and - in
his lifetime and beyond - though his status as model clergyman and saintly
Anglican. This one-day conference seeks to re-evaluate Keble’s writings, his
life and his afterlife in the wider contexts of nineteenth-century literature
and culture, and to assess his significance for nineteenth-century studies
today.
Topics for papers might include (but are not restricted to):
- Keble’s influence on his contemporaries and on later writers (including, for
example, Newman, Faber, Pusey, Isaac Williams, Yonge, Tennyson, Christina
Rossetti, Hopkins).
- Religious ideals and achievements: the effect of Keble’s theory and practice
on the Anglican church.
- Romantic poetry and the formulation of Keble’s poetics.
- Religious verse; the nineteenth-century hymn.
- Keble and nature poetry.
- The affective uses of Keble’s poems and letters.
- Children’s verse and Lyra Innocentium.
- The Christian Year as Victorian bestseller.
- Keble and the role of the clergyman in nineteenth-century Britain.
- The creation of Keble’s image: the function of paintings, biographies and
memoirs, memorials, and the foundation of Keble College.
Expressions of interest, queries and paper proposals, in the form of one-page
abstracts, should be sent to Kirstie Blair, Keble College, Oxford OX1 3PG
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:48:36 +0100
From: Paul Barlow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pre-Raphaelites and Darwinism
In response to Annie Smit's comment about the Pre-Raphaelites and Darwinism:
Obviously the Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood itself had dissolved by the time
the 'Origin of Species' was published, so the Brotherhood as such never
discussed Darwinism. However one of its members, Thomas Woolner, was later
associated with Darwin. Darwin acknowledged his help with 'The Descent of
Man', even naming a feature of the human ear the 'Woolnerian tip'.
The sense of struggle between a 'godless' world of material facts and a
'god-filled' world of meaning is, nevertheless, central to Pre-Raphaelite
art. But that really arises, I guess, from pre-Darwinian debates.
Paul Barlow
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:48:30 +0000
From: rebecca virag <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: 'tailor-fashion'
Dear List members,
I am posting this query on behalf of a colleague at Tate Britain who is
working on a project about J.E. Millais' painting 'Ophelia'.
In a letter published in 'The Life & Letters of John Everett Millais'
(1899), Millais recalls making sketches for the background landscape in
Ewell, Surrey:
'I sit tailor-fashion under an umbrella throwing shadow scarcely larger than
a halfpenny for eleven hours, with a child's mug within reach to satisfy my
thirst from the running stream beside me'.
I wonder if anyone has come across the expression 'tailor-fashion' elsewhere
and can tell me what Millais might mean by it. I am assuming that he is
simply sitting on a low stool, whereby a tailor could attend to hem-lines
etc.
Many thanks,
Rebecca Virag
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:02:22 -0400
From: Pat and Govind Menon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
I think it simply means cross-legged on the ground.
Pat Menon
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:05:00 +0100
From: Jill Grey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
I can't provide examples off-hand, but tailors traditionally sat
crossed-legged on (not at) their work-benches.
Jill
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:19:35 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
Isn't it cross legged?
Paul
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Subject: 'tailor-fashion'
Dear List members,
I am posting this query on behalf of a colleague at Tate Britain who is
working on a project about J.E. Millais' painting 'Ophelia'.
In a letter published in 'The Life & Letters of John Everett Millais'
(1899), Millais recalls making sketches for the background landscape in
Ewell, Surrey:
'I sit tailor-fashion under an umbrella throwing shadow scarcely larger than
a halfpenny for eleven hours, with a child's mug within reach to satisfy my
thirst from the running stream beside me'.
I wonder if anyone has come across the expression 'tailor-fashion' elsewhere
and can tell me what Millais might mean by it. I am assuming that he is
simply sitting on a low stool, whereby a tailor could attend to hem-lines
etc.
Many thanks,
Rebecca Virag
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:37:39 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
Rebecca Verlag inquired:
> I wonder if anyone has come across the expression 'tailor-fashion' elsewhere
> and can tell me what Millais might mean by it. I am assuming that he is
> simply sitting on a low stool, whereby a tailor could attend to hem-lines
> etc.
The OED has this example from 1704, under the definition of "tailor":
> J. PITTS Acc. Mohammetans iii. (1738) 21 "They all sit down cross-legg'd, as
Taylors do."
Tom
s/ Thomas J. Tobin, Ph.D., M.S.L.S.
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www.mathcs.duq.edu/~tobin/cv/
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:46:28 +0100
From: Paul Barlow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
Since there is in fact a drawing of him sitting under the umbrella - I think
the question answers itself!
Paul Barlow
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:34:14 +0100
From: Nicola Bown <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
Sitting 'tailor-fashion' is sitting cross-legged.
Nicola Bown
Birkbeck College
>
> 'I sit tailor-fashion under an umbrella throwing shadow scarcely larger than
> a halfpenny for eleven hours, with a child's mug within reach to satisfy my
> thirst from the running stream beside me'.
>
> I
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:13:02 -0500
From: Richard Floyd <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
Yes, tailor-fashion is cross-legged. My brothers and sister were in
school in the '70s and they called this "Indian style." By the time I
started school a few years later this was deemed insenstive, and it
changed to "tailor fashion."
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http://artsci.wustl.edu/~rdfloyd/index.htm
Department of History
Washington University
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Paul Lewis wrote:
> Isn't it cross legged?
>
> Paul
>
> Paul Lewis
> web www.paullewis.co.uk
> tel 07836 217311
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of rebecca virag
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> Subject: 'tailor-fashion'
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>
> Dear List members,
>
> I am posting this query on behalf of a colleague at Tate Britain who is
> working on a project about J.E. Millais' painting 'Ophelia'.
>
> In a letter published in 'The Life & Letters of John Everett Millais'
> (1899), Millais recalls making sketches for the background landscape in
> Ewell, Surrey:
>
> 'I sit tailor-fashion under an umbrella throwing shadow scarcely larger than
> a halfpenny for eleven hours, with a child's mug within reach to satisfy my
> thirst from the running stream beside me'.
>
> I wonder if anyone has come across the expression 'tailor-fashion' elsewhere
> and can tell me what Millais might mean by it. I am assuming that he is
> simply sitting on a low stool, whereby a tailor could attend to hem-lines
> etc.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Rebecca Virag
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:28:13 +0100
From: Gillian Kemp <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pre-Raphaelites and Darwinism
23 October 2002
Dear List members
Paul Barlow mentions 'The sense of struggle between a 'godless' world of
material facts and a 'god-filled' world of meaning' as being central to
Pre-Raphaelite Art. Are there any books or essays just on this topic? I've
found the odd passage in books on the PR but not much on the subject itself.
Many thanks
Gillian
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Independent Scholar
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:20:26 EDT
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Subject: Trollope
Can anyone tell me for sure if I am correct that Anthony Trollope was never
married and had no children?
I ask because I see that the contemporary novelist Joanna Trollope keeps
presenting herself as his "descendant."
Wouldn't "collateral descendant" be preferable?
Cynthia Behrman
Wittenberg University
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:39:37 -0400
From: Lewis H Whitaker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The British Empire
Dear colleagues:
I have one of those questions of semantics that seem to come up frequently.
A student asked yesterday when Britain first started referring to itself as
an "Empire." I was stumped. I've seen Colonial expansion in North America
referred to as the "First Empire," but would this term have been used at
home, or is it a later overlay made by historians? Did the term "British
Empire" not become current among the public until the scrambles for Africa
and other countries in the late 19th C along with Victoria's formal naming
as "Empress of India?"
Many thanks!
Lewis H Whitaker
Department of English
Georgia State University
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:45:01 -0400
From: "Heather E. Wenig" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Trollope
I think that Joanna Trollope passes herself off as a more direct descendant
than
she really is, but he was married and had two sons.
Heather Wenig
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>Can anyone tell me for sure if I am correct that Anthony Trollope was never
>married and had no children?
>I ask because I see that the contemporary novelist Joanna Trollope keeps
>presenting herself as his "descendant."
>Wouldn't "collateral descendant" be preferable?
>
>Cynthia Behrman
>Wittenberg University
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:49:36 -0500
From: Susanna Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Trollope
Trollope married Rose Heseltine on June 11, 1844; son Henry was born in
March of 1846, and son Frederic in September of 1847.
Susanna Ryan
Susanna Ryan
Woodrow Wilson Postdoctoral Fellow in the Humanities
Department of English
Indiana University
Bloomington, IN 47405
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:51:24 -0400
From: "Zubair S. Amir" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Trollope
Hello --
Trollope married Rose Heseltine on June 11, 1844; they had 2 sons, the
younger (Frederic) serving as the model for the eponymous hero of his short
novel *Harry Heathcote of Gangoil.*
Zubair Amir
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Ph.D. candidate, English
Cornell University
At 02:20 PM 10/23/02, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me for sure if I am correct that Anthony Trollope was never
>married and had no children?
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:23:07 +0100
From: Lee Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The British Empire
If it helps, I have a second-hand quote on my site (ie. from a text-book)
concerning opening of the East India dock which starts:-
"Yesterday this ceremony, so auspicious to the increasing commerce and
prosperity of the British Empire, took place according to previous
announcement. "
ascribed to "The Globe" in 1806!
Sala in 1859 (Twice Round the Clock) writes "I suppose the British Empire
could not progress prosperously without Tattersall's"
Dore/Jerrold (in London : a Pilgrimage) speak of "These lads, the flower of
the country whose paths tend to the senate and the council chamber, and who
will be among the future governors of the Empire"
Throughout the century then?
Lee
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:26:51 -0400
From: Dara Rossman Regaignon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The British Empire
The OED lists the first reference for "British Empire" in 1604:
"God..make your Maiestie to be the most blessed and Triumphant Monarch,
that euer this Brytish Empire, enioyed." It also includes a reference
to Goldsmith's _The present state of the British Empire in Europe,
America, Africa, and Asia_ in 1768, and Hector Campbell's 1814, _The
Impending Ruin of the British Empire_.
Cheers,
Dara
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Princeton University Writing Program
609/258-7349
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:31:24 -0400
From: Carla Cathey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
I found some thing online that may help you.
This link is of a painting by Quiringh van Brekelenkam. "Tailor-fashion"=
=20
is mentioned in the painting's description, as some of the subjects are=20
indeed sitting tailor fashion. If you click on the photo and enlarge =
it,=20
you can see that these are actually tailors tending to the sewing of=20
clothes. It looks as if they are seated this way [versus in a chair]=20
because it allows them to evenly and comfortable spread the cloth over=20
their laps while sewing.
Hope this helps.
-Carla Cathey
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:42:05 -0400
From: Carla Cathey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
I had problems sending my intial email, and the link was in that first =
one. =20
It got deleted from the second email.
So here it is. So sorry.
http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/b/brekelen/taylor_s.html
-Carla Cathey
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:22:35 +0100
From: Nicola Bown <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Pre-Raphaelites and Darwinism
The pioneering essay is by Marcia Pointon on William Dyce (not, I know, a
Pre-Raphaelite artist, but it's still amazingly suggestive) and geology, and
it's in Images of the Earth ed. Ludmilla Jordanova and Roy Porter (1979). Lynn
Merrill's The Romance of Victorian Natural History (1989) has a chapter on
Pre-Raphaelite painting and natural history writing and illustration. My, ahem,
book on fairies also has a chapter on what Paul Barlow elegantly characterises
as 'the sense of struggle between a 'godless' world of material facts and a
'god-filled' world of meaning'.
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Nicola Bown
Birkbeck College
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:22:28 -0400
From: "Eileen M. Curran" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 'tailor-fashion'
"He sat in the window of a little shop in Westgate Street, cross-legged on
a table from morning till dark." Opposite that sentence is Beatrix
Potter's picture (in color) of the cross-legged tailor.
Doesn't anyone else remember her The Tailor of Gloucester? It firmly
established my image of a tailor.
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:31:46 +1300
From: Helen Debenham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Trollope
Unless she has changed in recent years, isn't it Joanna Trollope's
publishers who present her as a descendant? On the one occasion some years
ago when I had to introduce her for a public lecture she was careful to
point out that she wasn't directly decended from Anthony.
Helen Debenham
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:06:24 +1000
From: David Philips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The British Empire
>A student asked yesterday when Britain first started referring to itself as
>an "Empire." I was stumped. ... Did the term "British
>Empire" not become current among the public until the scrambles for Africa
>and other countries in the late 19th C along with Victoria's formal naming
as "Empress of India?"
The Report of the Select Committee on Aborigines (British
Settlements) of the House of Commons, which was dominated by
Evangelicals and reported in 1837, contained the passage: "The
British empire has been signally blessed by Providence ..."
David Philips
Associate Professor David Philips
Department of History, University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria 3010 Australia.
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:34:32 -0400
From: joanwall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Trollope
I just heard Joanna Trollope about three months ago reading from her new
book, and she was careful to tell us just exactly what her realtion was to
Anthony and it was quite distant.
Joan Wall
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