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There are 19 messages totalling 595 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. The Asylum and Mental Illness (10)
2. new etext - Sinks of London, 1848 (2)
3. usage of "Tribade" vs. "Lesbian" (4)
4. stanley berkeley
5. Nineteenth-Century Art Worldwide
6. Wilde and Arthur Henry Cooper-Prichard
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:47:36 -0400
From: Jennifer Laraia <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The Asylum and Mental Illness
Dear Victorian scholars,
I am an undergraduate student doing research on the role of the asylum
in Victorian literature. I am looking at how the asylum is similar or
different to the domestic sphere, as well as its role in containing
women. I am looking for literary texts from the Victorian era, and also
for relevant critical works.
Thanks for your help!
Jenn Laraia
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Undergraduate, Bowdoin College
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:35:17 -0500
From: Chris Brogden <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
A good text to consider is Bram Stoker's _Dracula_, which situates Mina
Harker within Seward's asylum... with interesting consequences. I think
Dr. Seward actually lives in the same building as the asylum, so the same
structure does double duty as public and private sphere.
Chris Brogden
Grad Student
University of Manitoba
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Jennifer Laraia wrote:
> I am an undergraduate student doing research on the role of the asylum
> in Victorian literature. I am looking at how the asylum is similar or
> different to the domestic sphere, as well as its role in containing
> women. I am looking for literary texts from the Victorian era, and
> also for relevant critical works.
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:20:36 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
The Woman in White is the obvious one.
Paul
Paul Lewis
web www.paullewis.co.uk
tel 07836 217311
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Sent: 30 September 2002 05:48
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Subject: The Asylum and Mental Illness
Dear Victorian scholars,
I am an undergraduate student doing research on the role of the asylum
in Victorian literature. I am looking at how the asylum is similar or
different to the domestic sphere, as well as its role in containing
women. I am looking for literary texts from the Victorian era, and also
for relevant critical works.
Thanks for your help!
Jenn Laraia
[log in to unmask]
Undergraduate, Bowdoin College
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:26:16 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: new etext - Sinks of London, 1848
And the 'sugar' cry has resonances with the new book by Michel Faber _The
Crimson Petal and the White_ whose main character is called Sugar.
Paul
Paul Lewis
web www.paullewis.co.uk
tel 07836 217311
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Lee Jackson
Sent: 28 September 2002 20:37
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: new etext - Sinks of London, 1848
A new etext - the anonymous Sinks of London Laid Open, 1848, pub. J.
Duncombe, aka The Dens of London.
The main body is here
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications/sinks.htm
but particularly interesting is the cross-dressing footnote:-
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications/sinks-manwoman.htm
And best of all, the 'Flash Dictionary'
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications/sinks-2.htm
With entries such as
"Sugar, cock your leg and cry," # a way of expressing triumph or joy, by
standing on one leg, and shaking the other up hooting 'sugar' loudly
and
"Velvet, to tip the,"# to talk to a woman, to impose by flowery language
(readers of Sarah Waters will know a meaning referring to another practice
entirely)
regards,
Lee
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:46:41 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
> I am an undergraduate student doing research on the
role of the asylum
> in Victorian literature.
This is one of the perennially recurring topics on
this list! I am sure that you will find helpful
suggestions among the list archives:
http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/victoria.html
as I know I have suggested various works in the
history of psychiatry on other occasions. One work you
might find of particular relevance would be Charlotte
Mackenzie's _Psychiatry for the Rich_, about the elite
Ticehurst House Asylum. For the other end of the
spectrum, Peter Bartlett's work on the poor law and
the insane can be highly recommended.
Lesley Hall
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website:
http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:39:02 EDT
From: Tamar Heller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
Do look at Elaine Showalter's The Female Malady: Madness and English Culture
to see the relation between definitions of madness and of femininity in the
nineteenth century. Also, in addition to The Woman in White, you will want
to look at another important sensation fiction: Mary Elizabeth Braddon's
Lady Audley's Secret, where there is a very clear parallel between house and
asylum. Sensation fiction in general is a good place to see such parallels
explored.
Tamar Heller
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:14 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
> Do look at Elaine Showalter's The Female Malady:
Madness and English Culture
> to see the relation between definitions of madness
and of femininity in the
> nineteenth century.
As I have commented before, this should be nuanced by
looking at the work of several historians who have
done close analytical studies of the primary sources,
especially records of psychiatric institutions,
revealing actual practices:
e.g.
Charlotte Mackenzie, Psychiatry for the Rich, on
Ticehurst House Hospital
Anne Digby on the Retreat
Peter Bartlett, The Poor Law of Lunacy
Peter Bartlett and David Wright, Outside the Walls of
the Asylum
Bill Forsythe and Joseph Melling, Insanity,
Institutions and Society, 1800-1914
The Big Book of Bedlam - the huge history of Bethlem
Hospital
by Andrews, Briggs, Porter, Tucker and Waddington
Oppenheim's _Shattered Nerves_ is worth reading on the
more
neurasthenic end of the spectrum.
I would also suggest a search on the Wellcome Library
online catalogue,
http://library.wellcome.ac.uk
as this will pick up articles/chapters and anything
that I've forgotten in the above list.
Lesley Hall
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website:
http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:07:39 -0500
From: Jess Nevins <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: usage of "Tribade" vs. "Lesbian"
In literature and conversation, when the Victorians wanted to call
someone
a lesbian, would they have been more likely to use the term "lesbian" or
the
term "tribade"? Or would they have used another term altogether?
I'm doing research for my book, a companion to the graphic novel "The
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen," set in 1898 and starring Allan
Quatermain, Mina Murray [from Dracula], Mr. Hyde, Captain Nemo,
and the Invisible Man, and their efforts against Prof. Moriarty and
Dr. Fu Manchu. In the novel Prof. Moriarty describes Mina Murray
as a "lesbian."
The OED reveals one citation of the word "lesbian" used as an adjective
from 1890, and "Lesbianism" from 1870, but "tribade" predates it by
two centuries and the OED provides a few citations of its use (and
the use of "tribadism") in the 19th century. Partridge's Dictionary of
Slang and Unconventional English has an 1896 citation.
Would an educated man have used "lesbian" as a noun and/or as a term
of abuse in 1898? Would he have used "tribade" instead? Or is there
another term that I'm unaware of?
Thanks in advance.
Jess Nevins
Sam Houston State University
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:20:09 +0100
From: nicola gauld <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: stanley berkeley
Hello!
I wonder if any art historians out there could shed some light on an artist
called Stanley Berkeley?
In particular, I am interested in two of his images, 'Supremacy' and
'Mutiny'. Supremacy appears in the Illustrated London News in 1886 and I
found Mutiny in the Witt library, I have some basic biographical info on
him and am aware that he is more known for battle scenes, but if anyone
knows anything about these examples (who they were for, how they came
about, if they are still out there somewhere, etc) I'd love to hear from
you. I think Mutiny is based on an incident that happened in Wombwell's
menagerie, but if anyone knows anything else, then get back to me.
Thanks in advance
Nicola Gauld
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:42:13 +0100
From: Lee Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: usage of "Tribade" vs. "Lesbian"
Jess - the INDEX to 'Walter's' Secret Life (Wordsworth edition) includes a
single entry "Lesbian Tastes and Exhibitions: VIII, 1624" and also one for
"Tribadism".
Unfortunately, or fortunately, I don't actually possess all the volumes to
check if he uses it in the text.
Of course, one imagines 'Walter' wasn't the average Victorian, but this
suggests both terms were present in the latter part of the century?
regards
Lee
www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:43:11 -0700
From: Sheldon Goldfarb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
There's a brief discussion of madness and a sort of asylum in Chapter 47 of
_Vanity Fair_. In providing this discussion, Thackeray may be drawing on
his experience of the real-life madness of his wife, who spent the last 50
or so years of her life in a home that seems to have been devoted to the
care of the insane, though Thackeray's biographers distinguish it from
actual asylums. According to the biographers, Thackeray took one look at
the most highly recommended asylum of his day, and refused to put his wife
there.
In the novel, Thackeray gives the insanity to a man: Lord George Gaunt, the
diplomat son of Lord Steyne. Thackeray's narrator explains how the insanity
first manifested itself, then describes the consequences as follows:
'His wife and family returned to this country and took
up their abode at Gaunt House. Lord George gave up
his post on the European continent, and was gazetted to
Brazil. But people knew better; he never returned from
that Brazil expedition--never died there--never lived
there--never was there at all. He was nowhere; he was
gone out altogether. "Brazil," said one gossip to another,
with a grin--"Brazil is St. John's Wood. Rio de Janeiro
is a cottage surrounded by four walls, and George Gaunt
is accredited to a keeper, who has invested him with the
order of the Strait-Waistcoat." These are the kinds of
epitaphs which men pass over one another in Vanity
Fair.
'Twice or thrice in a week, in the earliest morning, the
poor mother went for her sins and saw the poor invalid.
Sometimes he laughed at her (and his laughter was more
pitiful than to hear him cry); sometimes she found the
brilliant dandy diplomatist of the Congress of Vienna
dragging about a child's toy, or nursing the keeper's
baby's doll. Sometimes he knew her and Father Mole,
her director and companion; oftener he forgot her, as he
had done wife, children, love, ambition, vanity. But he
remembered his dinner-hour, and used to cry if his
wine-and-water was not strong enough.'
Sheldon Goldfarb
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:58:04 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: usage of "Tribade" vs. "Lesbian"
I can't give a definite answer to what would be the
usage - except to suggest that 'sapphist' might have
been employed, and that a man of science in the 1890s
might well have used the term 'female invert' - by
1898 he would have had access to Krafft-Ebing,
Havelock Ellis, Edward Carpenter etc. You might try
asking this question on the Histsex list (list
homepage at http://www.lesleyahall.net/listinf.htm,
with subscription information).
Lesley Hall
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website:
http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:29:07 -0400
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: usage of "Tribade" vs. "Lesbian"
The narrator of _My Secret Life_ does use the word tribadism, at least
once. As he watches two French prostitutes "flat fuck," he muses " . . . I
now believe amused each other this way when by themselves, though I did not
then even fully realize that tribadism was more than a sham." This is from
an abridged edition: p. 306, Grove 1966. I don't have the index; that
would be the place to look.
Deborah Lutz
English Department
CUNY Grad. Center
I don't recall his usage of lesbian>
> Jess - the INDEX to 'Walter's' Secret Life (Wordsworth edition) includes a
> single entry "Lesbian Tastes and Exhibitions: VIII, 1624" and also one for
> "Tribadism".
>
> Unfortunately, or fortunately, I don't actually possess all the volumes to
> check if he uses it in the text.
>
> Of course, one imagines 'Walter' wasn't the average Victorian, but this
> suggests both terms were present in the latter part of the
> century?
>
> regards
>
> Lee
> www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:47:52 -0500
From: Michael Flowers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
Ellen [Mrs Henry] Wood's best example is probably the novella-length "The
Prebendary's Daughter", especially the first chapter 'The Lunatic Asylum'.
This story was collected in book form in "Ashley & Other Stories" (1897),
but the original periodical version appeared as early as July 1855 in
the "New Monthly Magazine".
Madness also features in the much longer novel "St.Martin's Eve" (1866),
but the asylum isn't really central. The madness is primarily contained
within the home! Delirium tremens is a feature of "Danesbury House"
(1860). It also features, as does the asylum which attempts to treat it in
the novella-length "Johnny Ludlow" story "Sandstone Torr" (1873). This was
collected in "Johnny Ludlow: Fourth Series" (1890). This should soon
appear as an etext. A mad woman appears in "A Life's Secret" (1862/7), but
again she is not confined to an asylum!
If I think of any more examples, I'll let you know.
Best Wishes
Michael Flowers
www.mrshenrywood.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:14:33 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
Jenn,
You might find Ruth Harris Murders and Madness Oxford University Press,
1991. ISBN 0-19-82059-8 a useful text to consider as it deals with
social, medical and legal aspects of madness.
Best wishes
Frank Murray
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:47:12 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
> You might find Ruth Harris Murders and Madness Oxford University Press,
> 1991. ISBN 0-19-82059-8 a useful text to consider as it deals with
> social, medical and legal aspects of madness
Indeed, but to my recollection Harris was dealing with the French situation,
so may not be terribly relevant to British texts - or does she include
British cases as well?
I forgot to add to my list of recent work on C19th psychiatry Len Smith's
work on poor law treatment for lunacy (called something like Care, Concern,
Control)
Lesley Hall
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website http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:14:09 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: new etext - Sinks of London, 1848
In a message dated 30/09/2002 07:26:23 GMT Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> And the 'sugar' cry has resonances with the new book by Michel Faber _The
> Crimson Petal and the White_ whose main character is called Sugar.
Talking of which, in today's (London) Evening Standard, Mr Faber pays
tribute to the many scholars across the world who hav e assisted him with
his research into this novel - no doubt this list has provided a
goodly number of contributors.
Joh n Tufail
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:16:23 -0500
From: Patrick Leary <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Nineteenth-Century Art Worldwide
[The following comes to us from Sura Levine of Hampshire College.]
The Association of the Historians of Nineteenth-Century Art, an affiliated
society of the College Art Association, is pleased to announce the second
issue of its peer-reviewed scholarly journal _Nineteenth-Century Art
Worldwide_. Please visit http://www.19thc-ArtWorldwide.org to read the
articles, for membership information, and for submission deadlines. The
journal can be visited free of charge, thanks to a number of donations that
have underwritten the journal for at least the next year.
NCAW's 3rd issue will appear in February, coincident with the CAA meetings,
and a special issue edited by Linda Nochlin on Charles Darwin's influence,
will appear in April 2003.
We would like to ask librarians to provide links on their institution's
library web pages to our journal for easy access on campuses.
Sincerely yours,
Sura Levine
Associate Professor of Art History
Hampshire College
Amherst, MA 01002
Secretary, AHNCA
Promotions Manager, NCAW
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:17:01 +0930
From: Angela Kingston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Wilde and Arthur Henry Cooper-Prichard
Can any list-member tell me if Arthur Henry Cooper-Prichard, author of the
fictional _Conversations with Oscar Wilde_ (1931), was known to Wilde? In
his book, Cooper-Prichard claims that he was an 'intimate' and
'longstanding' friend of Wilde's, but he does not appear in biographical
references. C-P claimed connections to Wilde through his (unnamed) aunts and
his grandmother; he claimed the latter was friends with Wilde's mother
Speranza from girlhood.
Any information would be gratefully received. Please reply directly to:
[log in to unmask]
Angela Kingston
Department of English
University of Adelaide
South Australia 5005
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