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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 8 Oct 2002 to 9 Oct 2002 (#2002-278)
There are 13 messages totalling 332 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Help with 3 Irish words (2)
2. Dr Pye Henry Chavasse
3. Zuzanna Shonfield
4. Chavasse: some negative info
5. Sir William Lawrence (3)
6. literary approaches to poverty syllabus
7. R: Help with 3 Irish words
8. THANKS for the 3 Irish words
9. George Bernard Shaw joins Oscar Wilde
10. Aurora Leigh & flower power
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:57:12 EDT
From: Judith Flanders <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Help with 3 Irish words
Bernard Share's Slanguage: A Dictionary of Irish Slang (Dublin, Gill and
Macmillan, 1997), still in print, defines all three words:
Avick it gives as 'avic': 'Form of address, voc. of Ir. mac (n.) son.' For
usage it quotes Aidan Higgins, 1995, Donkey's Years: 'sending the
dun-coloured ball down the field to where a pile of discarded clothes served
for goal posts. "Now, Tom avic, into him!"'
Bouchal/boughal are two variants: 'n., from Ir. buachaill, boy', and cited
Alexander Irvien's 1913 My Lady of the Chimney Corner: '"Who gethered th'
nettles?" Anna pointed to me. "Did th' sting bad, me boughal?"'
Goster is spelt thus, without the first 'h': n. & vb., cf. Ir. gasran cainte
(n. phrase), chat, conversation, also gastaire, a chatterer, a prater.'
Joyce uses it in Dubliners: 'Ivy Day in the Committee Room': 'I asked him
again now, but he was leaning on the counter in his shirt-sleeves having a
deep goster with Alderman Cowley.'
I've always found this a helpful book, and I think there's going to be a new
edition soon.
Best
Judith Flanders
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:57:20 EDT
From: Judith Flanders <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Dr Pye Henry Chavasse
I have been using Dr Chavasse's Advice to Mothers, although as an advice
book, in the context of others, rather than focusing on the author himself.
However, I do know that even by the turn of the century his book was
regarded as fairly far from everday practices. Molly Hughes, in the third
volume of her autobiography (M. V. Hughes, A London Home in the Nineties)
mocks it. While admitting (boasting?) that she knows nothing of babies, she
is aware of how out of date Chavasse is.
Best
Judith Flanders
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:57:17 EDT
From: Judith Flanders <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Zuzanna Shonfield
I'm afraid that the only information I have on Ms Shonfield is negative. She
died, I think, about a year ago. There was an obiturary in the Guardian, and
it may be of use in tracking back her family.
If you do find where the diaries are, will you share the information with
the mailbase?
Best
Judith Flanders
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:00:50 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Chavasse: some negative info
I've now had the opportunity to check sources at the
Wellcome and apart from numerous copies of Advice to
Mothers we don't seem to have anything on this
particular Chavasse (as opposed to later ones). I've
checked finding aids to manuscripts as well (since the
online archives and manuscripts database is still far
from exhaustive), and the Medical Archives and
Manuscripts Survey (but this currently only covers
London). Was Chavasse associated with any of the
Birmingham hospitals? - information on survival and
whereabouts may be found on the Wellcome/PRO Hospital
Records Database, hospitalrecords.pro.gov.uk
Lesley Hall
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:30:04 +0100
From: Andrew Mangham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Sir William Lawrence
Hello all,
I have come across a reference to Sir William Lawrence and was wondering =
what the group knew about him. First indications are that he was a =
scientific man but any more information on what kind of science and what =
kind of a career he had would be greatly appreciated. I had better say =
that this Sir William is from around the 1840s/50s and not the same guy =
as the Sir William Lawrence Bragg who won the Nobel Prize in 1905.
Thanks in advance
Andrew Mangham
PhD Candidate, University of Sheffield.
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:42:10 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sir William Lawrence
Lawrence, Sir William (1783-1867) 1st Baronet Surgeon,
anatomist, physiologist and zoologist, is in the _DNB_
and a couple of collections of his papers are listed
by the NRA. A plethora of his works (mostly, however,
editions of what looks like essentially the same
lectures on comparative anatomy, etc) are in the
Wellcome Library, library.wellcome.ac.uk
Lesley Hall
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:08:00 -0400
From: Suzanne Keen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: literary approaches to poverty syllabus
Dear Colleagues on the List,
Many thanks for your suggestions for my course on Literary Approaches to
Poverty. I expanded my Victorian section from one month to two as a
result of all the great ideas. If you care to see the syllabus (at this
stage a work in progress), it is on the web at:
http://home.wlu.edu/%~keens/233.htm
I welcome comments and suggestions.
Thanks again,
Suzanne Keen
Professor of English
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
http://english.wlu.edu/faculty/keen.htm
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:58:36 +0200
From: Roberta Baldi <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: R: Help with 3 Irish words
Dear Dennis,
I've right by me "A Dictionary of Hiberno English" (Gill and
Macmillan, 1998) which gives:
- avick: "my son, my boy"...
- bouchal: "boy, youth; young unmarried man"...
Unfortunately, it does not have any reference for "ghoster".
PS: Please let me know if you need full (and further) references...
With best regards,
Roberta
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:58:55 +0100
From: Norman Vance <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Help with 3 Irish words
The words are indeed of Irish origin - in effect phonetic respellings of
Gaelic words commonly used in the Hiberno-English speech of country areas
which Carleton tries to reproduce. I think "bouchal" corresponds to
'buachaill' (boy, young unmarried man, lad), "avick" to 'a mhic', (my boy
or my son) and "ghoster" to 'gastaire' (smart, impudent fellow, hence
prater or chatterer or the idle chat such a person produces). A useful
starting-point for this sort of thing is P.W.Joyce's English as We Speak It
in Ireland (1910, paperback reprint by Wolfhound Press, Dublin, 1979 etc).
Norman Vance
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:24:53 -0400
From: Alan Rauch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sir William Lawrence
Andrew:
William Lawrence was considered one of London's finest doctors but he
gained particular notoriety as the author of Lectures on Physiology,
Zoology and the Natural History of Man (1819), a materialist tract
that, for a period, was banned. Lawrence's views, including the
position that "vitality was a property of organized matter," were
ones with which Percy could easily sympathize. Among the
implications of Lawrence's immanentist position, (see L. S. Jacyna)
is that moral and ethical responsibility "must arise from man's
organic needs and aptitudes" rather than from a supreme being.
Alan
Refs:
Kenneth Cameron in Shelley and his Circle, argues that Lawrence's
"antireligious view" may have attracted Shelley (Vol. II: 483-84).
L. S. Jacnya. "Immanence or Transcendence. Theories of Life and
Organization in Britain, 1790-1835" (Isis, 74 (1983):311-329).
Hugh L. Luke, Jr.'s "Sir William Lawrence: Physician to Shelley and
Mary," ( Papers on English Language and Literature I (Spring,
1965):141-152).
Kentwood Wells, "Sir William Lawrence (1783-1867): A Study of
Pre-Darwinian Ideas on Heredity and Variation," (J. History Biology,
Vol. 4, No. 2 (Fall 1971): 319-361),
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Department of English
The University of North Carolina at Charlotte
Charlotte, NC 28223
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:38:16 -0400
From: Dennis Denisoff <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: THANKS for the 3 Irish words
Dear List Members,
Thank you for the quick response to my query. In particular, I
would like to thank Roberta Baldi, Patricia de Montfort, Michael Flavin,
Maire Ni Fhlathuin, Judith Flanders, and Norman Vance. I apologize if
I've missed anybody.
I believe you were all in agreement in your definitions, which are
briefly as follows:
Bouchal: from "boughal" or "buachaill" meaning boy (or young unmarried
man)
Avick: from "a mhic" and then "avic" meaning "my boy" or "son"
Ghoster: (also spelt "goster") from "gastaire" or "gastran cainte"
meaning "impudent fellow," or chatterer
Thank you so much for your help, Dennis
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:22:14 -0400
From: "D.C. Rose" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: George Bernard Shaw joins Oscar Wilde
Dear colleagues,
Shavians among you may wish to know that as one result of the 'Shaw Summit'
in Niagara-on-the Lake on 24th August, the coverage of Shaw matters up to
the end of 1900 in the 'Shavings' section of THE OSCHOLARS is being greatly
increased. We should be glad to publish news from anyone teaching the
early Shaw, and reviews of the pre-1901 plays. Dr Julie A Sparks of the
University of Arkansas-Monticello will be advising us on this.
The October issue of THE OSCHOLARS is now published on its website: an
e-mail to oscholars@netscape with a request to susbcribe will bring the
access password. Readership now approaches 900, with over 300 university
departments represented.
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Editor, THE OSCHOLARS
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:47:47 -0700
From: "Margot K. Louis" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Aurora Leigh & flower power
Can anyone with a text (or more) on the language of flowers tell me if
there are specific meanings, in Victorian floral codes, attached to myrtle,
ivy, verbena and guelder-rose (aka viburnum or the snowball-bush)? I am of
course thinking of _Aurora Leigh_ 2.40-53. Aurora's own interpretations
and comments are clearly most important, but if there were additional
associations that would be widely known at the time it would add to the
complexity of this already dense passage.
Would the reference to the use of cymbals in "colonising beehives"
(2.176-79) allude to the process of announcing that one's bees have swarmed
by clashing implements, and thereby declaring one's ownership of the swarm?
This is one point where Margaret Reynolds' edition, unusually, doesn't
seem to help.
Any help on these point would be appreciated.
Margot K. Louis
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