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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 2 Oct 2002 to 3 Oct 2002 (#2002-272)
There are 22 messages totalling 597 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Literary Approaches to Poverty (8)
2. Re.: Books on Florence by British Tourists 1900
3. Renaming Thackery (was
4. Renaming Thackery
5. Thanks for your help!
6. Drawing Room Versifiers
7. The Asylum and Mental Illness
8. Individual perception v. anthological consensus
9. Help in identifying lines
10. Grill Park Road/dubious "hotel"
11. Asylums
12. call for papers - photography
13. Literary approaches to poverty (2)
14. Arthur Morrison Texts
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:19:20 +1000
From: Ellen Jordan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Literary Approaches to Poverty
If you want to take a broad sweep of literary approaches to poverty, you
really should include some of the "waif" literature published by the
Religious Tract Society and the SPCK. I shouldn't think any of it is in
print but it might be possible to photocopy parts of, for example, Hesba
Stretton's Jessica's First Prayer, or Froggy's Little Brother by "Brenda".
And if you are interested in rural poverty, you could look at some of
Charlotte Yonge's Langley School stories, republished as Charlotte Yonge,
Village Children. Collected and edited by Gillian Avery. London: Victor
Gollancz, 1967.
Has anyone yet suggested Kipling's "Badalia Herodsfoot"?
Ellen Jordan
University of Newcastle
Australia
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:10:04 +0200
From: "Prof. M.Van Wyk Smith" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Literary Approaches to Poverty
On 2 Oct 2002, at 7:34, Suzanne Keen wrote:
>
I am planning a course for sophomores on
> Literary Approaches to Poverty, and my scheme was to assemble a
> month-long unit of reading from Victorian literature. Now I find that
> enormous Gaskell novels are the only thing in print. Given that I
> have only about a month, length matters. Do you have any suggestions?
>
Everyone will, I'm sure, point to a host of Dickens novels, but don't
forget about Gissing, notably New Grub Street, which homes in
ferociously on the poverty of authors.
Malvern
Malvern van Wyk Smith
Department of English
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
South Africa
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www.rhodes.ac.za/english
Tel. (27) (46) 6038400
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:20:17 +0100
From: Anne Jordan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re.: Books on Florence by British Tourists 1900
"I am looking for a bibliography on books and publications by British
tourists on Florence around 1900, also descriptions of the "British colony"
in Florence."
Dear Paul,
I'm currently looking into the British and American circles in Florence -
but a slightly earlier period to you (particularly 1870's). However some of
my sources may be of help:
- "Famous foreigners in Florence 1400-1900" by CL Dentler, 1964. Although
this covers a large timeframe, I found it useful in identifying those who
were in Florence in the period I was looking at.
- "Florence: The Biography Of A City" by Christopher Hibbert. This has a
chapter on the "Ville Toute Anglaise" mentioning lots of names, with
visitors from c. 1840's to turn of that century. Also a very good
bibliography.
- "A Wanderer in Florence" by EV Lucas, London 1912. This is essentially a
travel book and too late for me, but I believe Lucas was a frequent visitor
to Florence, so he may be useful for background purposes.
Regards
Anne Jordan
Biographer of Lady Colin Campbell
http://www.dataxinfo.com/ladycampbell/home.htm
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:31:39 GMT
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Renaming Thackery (was
> Those whose only language is Estuary English must
have problems with streets
> named after at least one early 19c writer: Jane
Os'n (author of Em).
On a note of total frivolity, I direct listmembers'
attention to 'The Jane Austin Homepage':
http://www.bluejo.demon.co.uk/austin/
'dedicated to the famous "Calamity Jane" Austin, early
19th Century Texan author, frontierswoman, and proto-
feminist' by someone who, I suspect, had come across
one too many misspellings of the name of the author of
_Pride and Prejudice_.
Lesley Hall
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website:
http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:46:15 -0700
From: Sheldon Goldfarb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Literary Approaches to Poverty
If you're interested in genteel poverty, and can resort to photocopying, you
may want to look at the two chapters in Thackeray's _Vanity Fair_ entitled
"How to Live Well on Nothing a Year," in which Thackeray's narrator reveals
how Becky Sharp and her husband manage to maintain a household and entertain
in good society despite having virtually no income.
(They're chapters 36 and 37.)
Sheldon Goldfarb
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:28:43 +0100
From: Paul Barlow <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Renaming Thackery
An ex-student who worked for local government got nowhere when she tried to
locate 'Millais Street'. The locals had never heard of it. The problem was
her pronunciation. Everyone who lived there pronounced it Mill-ee-ers
Street.
Paul Barlow
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:26:55 +0200
From: neil davie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Literary Approaches to Poverty
Hello Malvern,
Apart from the obvious candidates (Dickens, Gaskell, Disraeli, etc.), =
what about having your students look at some works catering for the =
"lower" end of the market; books like"The Mysteries of London" by G.W.M. =
Reynolds (1845-48) or William Harrison Ainsworth's "Jack Sheppard" =
(1839)?=20
Good luck with your course.=20
Neil=20
Neil Davie, Universit=E9 Paris 7 , Paris, France.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:17:50 +0100
From: Lee Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Literary Approaches to Poverty
I am afraid the whole work is not yet available, but how about Augustus
Mayhew's "Paved with Gold", of which I have loaded the introductory section
on my site:-
http://www.victorianlondon.org/mayhew/paved-romancepreceeding.htm
regards,
Lee
www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:02:32 +0100
From: Lawrence Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Literary Approaches to Poverty
If you don't mind straying just a few years outside the nineteenth
century, why not consider Jack London's 'The People of the Abyss'
(1903). Although the experience he describes in the East End of London
dates from 1902, it deals with issues hotly debated from the 1880s
onwards. The text is peppered with allusions to both factual and
fictional accounts of East End poverty, and while it claims to be a
sociological work, there's an enormous amount of artistic licence in
London's writing. Moreover, I've always thought this would be a
fascinating text to teach to American students given London's
nationality and some of his preoccupations in the text. I teach it in
the UK and it always provokes lively discussion. The full text is also
available online with all the original photographs (something omitted
from the current Pluto Press edition) here:
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/PeopleOfTheAbyss/
Lawrence Phillips,
Editor,
Literary London: Interdisciplinary studies in the representation of
London,
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/london-journal/
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:39:26 -0400
From: Jennifer Laraia <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thanks for your help!
Dear Victorian scholars,
Thanks everyone for your great suggestions for resources on mental
illness and asylums. You've given me a wealth of information, and place
to start looking!
Thanks,
Jenn Laraia
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Undergraduate, Bowdoin College
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:47:24 +0100
From: "Sanders, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Drawing Room Versifiers
Dear All,
In all the discussion about 'drawing-room versifiers' nobody has yet pointed
out the almost total exclusion of Chartist and working-class poets from many
antholgies. One of my own regrets concerning the two Broadview Anthologies
(which have many positive aspects) is that the the full anthology only
contains a few poems from Gerald Massey (and none at all from Thomas
Cooper, Ernest Jones, W.J. Linton, to say nothing of the many hundreds of
anonymous/initialled writers who contributed to the 'Northern Star') and
even this modest selection is excised from the 'Broadview Concise'.
Best wishes
Mike Sanders,
Lancaster University, England
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:27 +0200
From: neil davie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Asylum and Mental Illness
Hello Jenn,
In addition to the books already mentioned by list members, you might find
useful the following collection of primary sources:
Jenny Bourne Taylor & Sally Shuttleworth, eds., "Embodied Selves: An
Anthology of Psychological Texts 1830-1890", Oxford University Press, 1998.
It is especially valuable for placing approaches to mental illness in the
wider context of developments in Victorian psychology.
Good luck with your research!
Neil Davie
Université Paris 7, Paris, France.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:18:58 -0500
From: James Henderson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Literary Approaches to Poverty
You might want to add some poetry to your reading
list. Thomas Hood -- "The Lay of the Labourer," "The Song
of the Shirt," "The Workhouse Clock," and "The Bridge of
Sighs." Wordsworth, the poet of the poor, broke important
ground in his treatment of the poor -- "The Old Cumberland
Beggar" (in *Lyrical Ballads* & several others there), his
1835 "Postscript" to *Yarrow Revisited and Other Poems" is
important. Also "Humanity", and "The Excursion" (especially
Book VIII "The Parsonage.")
I'm sure others can add to this list.
Jim Henderson
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James Henderson
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Valparaiso University
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:39:58 -0400
From: Patrick Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Individual perception v. anthological consensus
Why should I say I see the things I see not?
Why be and be not?
Show love for that I love not, and fear for what I fear not?
And dance about to music that I hear not?
Who standeth still i' the street
Shall be hustled and justled about:
And he that stops i' the dance shall be spurned by the dancers'
feet.--
Shall be shoved and be twisted by all he shall meet,
And shall raise up an outcry and rout;
. . . and what if all along
The music is not sounding?
Patrick Scott
Associate University Librarian for Special Collections
& Professor of English,
Rare Books & Special Collections,
Thomas Cooper Library,
University of South Carolina,
Columbia, SC 29208, USA.
Tel: 803-777-1275
Fax: 803-777-4661, attn Dr Scott
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:30:40 -0400
From: Patricia Marks <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Help in identifying lines
Dear Victorianists,
Several of us are trying to track down the source for the following
lines--can anyone help?
They march as once from India's ????
Through Asia's mountain door
With shield and spear on Europe's plain,
Their fathers marched before.
Ten thousand miles,
Ten thousand years . . .
Perhaps private replies would be best, so as not to clutter the list.
Thanks in advance--
Patricia
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:54:32 -0500
From: Michael Flowers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Literary Approaches to Poverty
Suzanne, Some of Ellen [Mrs Henry] Wood's stories and novels often
represent poverty in ways which seem rather unusual. Although she often
portrays the victims of poverty with compassion, she is also highly
critical of those enduring poverty who she sees as being responsible for
their own condition and those of their fellow workers - such as Trade Union
agitators.
Some short stories in which poverty is a major concern include from the
First Series of Johnny Ludlow: 'Losing Lena', 'Finding Both of
Them', 'Major Parrifer', 'Coming Home to Him', 'Dick Mitchel', 'The
Beginning of the End, 'Jerry's Gazette' and 'Our Strike'. These are all to
be available as etexts later in the year, but can be obtained in book form
in 2 volumes from elibron classics at $11.35 each. All of these stories,
except 'Our Strike' are in the first volume. www.elibron.com
"Johnny Ludlow Second Series" contains: 'Hester Reed's Pills'& 'Abel
Crew.' Unfortunately, these are not in print, but etexts will soon be
available.
"Johnny Ludlow; Third Series" has 'Jellico's Pack' and 'The Story of
Dorothy Grape'. The former should be in elibron's "Helen Whitney's Wedding
& Other Stores", but I haven't seen a copy of this. Both of these tales
will be available in etexts within the next few months.
Finally, (I promise!). Wood's anti-Union novel "A Life's Secret" is
available from Elibron in one volume. The second half has searing scenes
of poverty brought about by a strike. This anti-union portrayal is
supposed to have resulted in riots when it was serialised anonymously in
1862.
I hope this is of use to you.
Michael Flowers
www.mrshenrywood.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:36:29 -0700
From: "Peter H. Wood" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Grill Park Road/dubious "hotel"
Y.S. Lee enquired about "Grill Park Road' in late-Victorian London. I
don't have a copy of Thomas Burke's book available, though I do have access
to several London maps & guides of that period.
Does Burke give any indication as to which district of London this
"hotel" was located in? Possible sites I can think for for such an ambiguous
establishment include Bayswater, Belgravia, Bloomsbury, Soho and the areas
around Waterloo and Victoria stations for a start.
Was it a "row-house" or a separate building - most of Belgravia,
Bloomsbury and Bayswater, etc. are Georgian period terrace houses, which
even today have a high proportion of small hotels among their buildngs.
I can find no reference to "grill park" in any slang dictionary, nor is
there even - stretching the 'grill' allusion somewhat - a St. Lawrence
Park/Road/Street/etc in the "A to Z Atlas of Victorian London" or the 1905
Baedeker.
I am afraid the whole story sounds extremely dubious to me without some
authentication from elsewhere. Does Thomas Burke have any supporting
evidence for his autobiography?
Peter Wood
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:40:34 -0500
From: Natalie Schroeder <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Asylums
You might also look at Charles Reade's Hard Cash (lots of asylum scenes)
and Collins's Jezebel's Daughter (there is a (a couple?) scene of Bedlam at
the beginning.
Natalie Schroeder
University of Mississippi
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:03:16 +0100
From: Patrizia di Bello <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: call for papers - photography
Dear All,
this might be of interest to those working on photography or
photography-related topics.
CALL FOR PAPERS: PHOTOGRAPHY: HISTORY, THEORY, PRACTICE.
I am sending this to let you know about a photography session that
professor Lynda Nead and I are convening as part of next year's annual
Association of Art Historians conference.
The conference will be held in London, from the 10th to the 13th of
April 2003, and is being co-organised by the School of History of Art,
Film and Visual Media at Birkbeck College and by the Department of
History of Art at University College London. The general theme of the
conference is ARTiculations, which is intended to promote debate on the
means and techniques of articulating art and concepts of art.
Photography: History, Theory, Practice.
What is the role of the study of the photographic image, within the
wider study of art and visual culture? How can we articulate the
specificities of the photographic image? Or are these best articulated
by considering photographic images in the visual, textual and tactile
cultures within which they are used? This session aims to promote debate
on, and make a contribution to, the future development of photography
within visual arts studies, and to represent a variety of different
approaches to the history and theory of photography. We seek
contributions that address the interdisciplinary nature of the study of
the photographic image, and across different media, periods and
cultures.
Proposals for papers, twenty minutes long, must reach either Lynda Nead
([log in to unmask]) or Patrizia Di Bello ([log in to unmask])
by the 1st of November.
Email us at the above addresses, or write to us at the School of History
of Art, Film and Visual Media, Birkbeck College, 43 Gordon Square,
London WC1H 0PD.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Patrizia Di Bello
Lynda Nead
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:27:39 EDT
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Subject: Re: Literary approaches to poverty
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/HegWigg.html
Rice, Alice Caldwell Hegan, 1870-1942 . Mrs. Wiggs of the Cabbage Patch, by
Alice Caldwell Hegan.
Electronic Text Center, University
of Virginia Library
Header
Front Matter
Chapter 1 CHAPTER I MRS. WIGGS'S PHILOSOPHY
Chapter 2 CHAPTER II WAYS AND MEANS
Chapter 3 CHAPTER III THE "CHRISTMAS LADY"
Chapter 4 CHAPTER IV THE ANNEXATION OF CUBY
Chapter 5 CHAPTER V A REMINISCENCE
Chapter 6 CHAPTER VI A THEATER PARTY
Chapter 7 CHAPTER VII "MR. BOB"
Chapter 8 CHAPTER VIII MRS. WIGGS AT HOME
Chapter 9 CHAPTER IX HOW SPRING CAME TO THE CABBAGE PATCH
Chapter 10 CHAPTER X AUSTRALIA'S MISHAP
Chapter 11 CHAPTER XI THE BENEFIT DANCE
Suzanne, I recommend this for your course. It was a best seller in 1900.
Regards to your folks.
Carol Digel
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:04:11 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Literary approaches to poverty
Has anyone yet suggested Engels's _The Condition of the Working Class in
England_? What about discussing the famine years of Ireland? _The Hungry
Voice_ , edited by Christopher Morash, is a collection of poetry written
between 1845-50 and contains poetry and ballads produced by witnesses and
survivors of the Great Famine. The publisher is Irish Academic Press out of
Dublin.
Good luck--it sounds like a very interesting course.
Kara M. Ryan
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:12:47 -0400
From: Sue Doran <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Arthur Morrison Texts
I obtained a copy of Morrison's A Child of the Jago a few years ago at the
MLA conference.It was published in 1995. Not sure if it is still in print
but here are the publication details:
Academy Chicago Publishers
363 West Erie Street
Chicago, IL 60610
ISBN 0-89733-392-6 (paper): $10.00
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