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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 3 Jul 2002 to 4 Jul 2002 (#2002-184)
There are 10 messages totalling 287 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Nursery Alice
2. metropolitan police - detectives/uniform (2)
3. The Nursery Alice
4. Ghosts (3)
5. Wilde and Plotinus
6. 19c fantasy fiction
7. Police uniform
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:35:04 EDT
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Subject: Re: Nursery Alice
In a message dated 7/3/2002 10:04:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Matt Demakos
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Caroline write regarding the Nursery Alice:
< Does anyone on the list know where I can access copies of these
illustrations? >
The book is rarely seen in used bookstores in the States. Try a library or
a collector. Also, try an "Image" search on Google.com. I can't do it
here as my computer is too slow. Go to Google.com. Press the tab for
"IMAGE." Type in "Nursery Alice".
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There have been several facsimile editions, if those are good enough for
your purposes. Check the Advanced Book Exchange, http://www.abebooks.com --
search for Carroll in the author field, Nursery Alice in the title field,
and request sorting by lowest price.
Helen Schinske
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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:57:00 +0100
From: Lee Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: metropolitan police - detectives/uniform
Can anyone help? I need to find out whether Inspectors at both division
level, and the Scotland Yard detective branch, were obliged to wear uniform
in the 1850s/60s. Joan Lock's excellent "Dreadful deeds and awful murders"
is the best source I have, which shows an illustration of Inspector Bucket
in ordinary dress, which is what I expected, but also a formal photo of
inspectors from 'A' division on duty at Epsom, all of them in uniform. Did
division inspectors wear uniform as a matter of course, or only if they were
being photographed/on show? What about Scotland Yard?
I had thought of emailing the Met. but their website didn't seem to overly
encourage this sort of enquiry! Any thoughts appreciated.
Lee
www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:31:00 -0500
From: Alina Ghimpu-Hague <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The Nursery Alice
You can find an online copy of The Nursery Alice (with illustrations) at
http://home.earthlink.net/~lfdean/carroll/nursery/
All the best,
Alina Ghimpu-Hague
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:37:54 -0700
From: Beth Harris <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Ghosts
I'm hoping once again to draw on the collective wisdom
of the list for some bibliography help. I am
interested in critical literature on ghosts and
visions. To be more specific, I am interested in the
uses of the supernatural as a way of taking an
ideological position against the perceived materialism
of the early Victorian era.
Many thanks in advance!
Beth Harris
Assistant Professor
History of Art
Fashion Institute of Technology
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:18:13 -0500
From: Gerri Brightwell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: metropolitan police - detectives/uniform
According to Thorwald Jurgen's _The Marks of Cain_ (Thames and Hudson,
1965--see esp. page 61) the detective squad set up by the Home Secretary in
1842 after a series of nasty murders was plain-clothed. The regular police
force, set up by Peel in 1829, wore uniforms that featured top hats (to
demonstrate that they were *not* a military organisation). Jurgen also
provides information on the earlier thief-catchers and the Bow Street
Runners (uniformed).
Hope that helps.
Gerri Brightwell
Dept. of English
University of Minnesota
Lee Jackson wrote:
> Can anyone help? I need to find out whether Inspectors at both division
> level, and the Scotland Yard detective branch, were obliged to wear
> uniform in the 1850s/60s. Joan Lock's excellent "Dreadful deeds and awful
> murders" is the best source I have, which shows an illustration of
> Inspector Bucket in ordinary dress, which is what I expected, but also a
> formal photo of inspectors from 'A' division on duty at Epsom, all of
> them in uniform. Did division inspectors wear uniform as a matter of
> course, or only if they were being photographed/on show? What about
> Scotland Yard?
>
> I had thought of emailing the Met. but their website didn't seem to overly
> encourage this sort of enquiry! Any thoughts appreciated.
>
> Lee
> www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:26:33 +0300
From: Yisrael Levin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Wilde and Plotinus
Dear all,
Intuitively, it is clear that Wilde's aesthetics had drawn a great deal from
Plotinus (3rd c. AD). Are list members familiar with any documentation
(letters, works, critical studies) that might support this?
Many thanks,
Yisrael Levin.
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Yisrael Levin
Department of English
Tel Aviv University
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:04:02 -0500
From: Bill Morgan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Ghosts
Not early Victorian, but perhaps relevant: I have on my desk a copy
(as yet unread) of
Sven Backman (umlaut over the first a), *The
Manners of Ghosts: A Study of the Supernatural in Thomas
Hardy's Short Poems* (Goteberg [umlaut over the o]: Acta
Universitatis Gothoburgensis, 2001)
I would expect Backman to make arguments parallel to the ones you're
interested in--"uses of the supernatural as a way of taking an ideological
position against the perceived materialism" (in Hardy's case) of the
*later* Victorian period.
cheers,
Bill Morgan
At 06:37 AM 7/04/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> I'm hoping once again to draw on the collective wisdom
> of the list for some bibliography help. I am
> interested in critical literature on ghosts and
> visions. To be more specific, I am interested in the
> uses of the supernatural as a way of taking an
> ideological position against the perceived materialism
> of the early Victorian era.
>
> Many thanks in advance!
>
> Beth Harris
>
> Assistant Professor
> History of Art
> Fashion Institute of Technology
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:08:05 -0500
From: Ana Garcia <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: 19c fantasy fiction
Thanks to all who answered my query on dreams in 19c fantasy fiction. You
really have been of great help. Plus we have a new thread on the nature of
the fantastic going on now, haven't we?.
Best,
Ana
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:17:57 +0100
From: Gillian Kemp <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Police uniform
4 July 2002
'The Queen's Peace' by David Ascoli (published by Hamish Hamilton
1979)suggests that constables and sergeants were provided with a uniform
which included blue swallow-tail coat and tall beaver hat at a 'biennial
cost of £11.6s 4d' but 'Superintendents and inspectors were required to
purchase their own.' All ranks had to wear uniform at all times. By 1864
this uniform was replaced by a tunic and helmet. I've only glanced through
the book but it does appear to refer to The Metropolitan Police. Worth
checking out?
Gillian
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Gillian Kemp, MA
Independent Scholar
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:34:10 -0700
From: Allison Kroll <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Ghosts
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<div>There are three very useful books that I can suggest:</div>
<div>-Janet Oppenheim,<i> The Other World</i> (Cambridge, 1985; a
thorough account of spiritualism and psychic research. Oppenheim at
many points discusses spiritualist and occult interests as responses
to 19th c. materialism)</div>
<div>-Julian Wolfreys,<i> Victorian Hauntings</i> (Palgrave, 2002;
this has some great bibliographical material as well)</div>
<div>-Carole G. Silver,<i> Strange and Secret Peoples</i> (Oxford,
1999; this is mostly about fairies, but has a good deal of material
on the connections you are after as well as another good
bibliography).</div>
<div>Hope this helps,</div>
<div>Allison Kroll</div>
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